welcome to the rock.

tiltaholic · #1 11-15-2005, 11:21 AM

</sean connery>

ok new people i don't recoginze -- splain this to me:

So you are playing your normal game on however many table(s) you play. Maybe you're also surfing 2+2 or having hot IM cybersex at the same time.

You look at your cards and see jizzles (JJ) on the button. You are just about to click RAISE (i hope), but then you notice that 2 seats to your right is a rock who has already raised preflop after one limper. You happen to use a HUD and see that after 150ish hands he has a vpip of 9 and a pfr of 1.

What do you do and why?

adsman · #2 11-15-2005, 11:25 AM

Jizzles?

Koss · #3 11-15-2005, 11:26 AM

I wish I had more hands, but you can't argue with what you've seen so far. Fold. He's probably one of those AA-QQ/AK type raisers. JJ is way too far behind that range to call. Witha couple other limpers it may be ok to play it for set value, but not here.

MrWookie47 · #4 11-15-2005, 11:27 AM

YSSC folding.

tiltaholic · #5 11-15-2005, 11:28 AM

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Jizzles?

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they're almost as good as quizzles.

#6 11-15-2005, 11:31 AM

Thought this hand was called happy larrys...

I would still raise, but I wouldn't be too happy about it. Calling is no good and I'm not folding. It's also possible that the rock got tired of folding or that he has been cold-decked for a long time. Position is a nice thing aswell against a passive player.

Redd · #7 11-15-2005, 11:31 AM

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He's still thinking about the AIM cybersex.

If the read was over 75 hands, I CC all the time and pray for a JJA flop. Him having pfred 1 time in 150 makes me want to fold it.

#8 11-15-2005, 11:31 AM

I'd 3-bet. JJ is a premium hand. Raise for value.
Also if a Rock, as oppossed to a TAG, there is a possibility of pushing him off his hand with aggression post flop.

Will this get me recognized in future?

adsman · #9 11-15-2005, 11:32 AM

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they're almost as good as quizzles.

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I can never keep up with the new terminology. By the way, the rock, is he any good postflop?

#10 11-15-2005, 11:41 AM

ok im a newbie so...

a PFR percentage of 1% corresponds to AA (0,5%) and KK (0,5%)...feels like a clear fold

If the PFR percentage of the rock was slightly higher lets say 3 % (=AA-QQ +AK) my action would probably have been different. getting between 2:1 and 3:1 pending on BB and limpers' action I would call

The case for not rasing is that it would probably drive out the BB and limper, resulting in 2:1 odds (neglecting the risk of a re-raise). Against a Rock with AA-QQ+AK you are a 2:1 underdog. Being slighlty passive i would just call...

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