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#11
03-02-2005, 01:53 PM
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Re: Utterly confused with KK
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The difference is that most people will play Axo and many less play Kxo. Because so many people will play "any Ace will do" you are much more likely to be beat here. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Given this, the number of people in the hand and no backdoor draws, I'd let it go on the turn. 
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#13
03-02-2005, 02:18 PM
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Re: Utterly confused with KK
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Surely, you aren't suggesting limping behind two lmpers with KK? There doesn't seem to be anything questionable there in my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] I dont think anyone suggested that was an option. [ QUOTE ] Second, you say you don't like the raise with that many players involved but that is why the raise is there, to limit the already large field and give me a better chance of winning the hand, there was only "1 or 2" callers in front of me. [/ QUOTE ] As for raising the flop - regardless of the number of players in the hand - It seems unlikely that the flop raise here will drive anyone away or limit the field. The only player a flop raise might drive out at this point is the BB - still 2 others UTG and MP1 involved in the hand who have already committed one SB each so far on the flop and both will call your raise - me thinks you are building the pot up for someone else here.
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#15
03-02-2005, 02:24 PM
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Re: Utterly confused with KK
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call me weak/tight, but i fold the flop. in hands like this when it's multiway, i too often find myself spewing chips only to show down a 2nd or 3rd best hand. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. I agree. It seems we're outnumbered but I'm really not sure why everyone is so intent on seeing the turn or somehow feels obligated to raise the flop.
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#17
03-02-2005, 02:32 PM
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Re: Utterly confused with KK
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Flop: (12.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls. I felt this was similar to an example in SSHE where you have a pair of Q's and an ace falls. I was raising to protect my hand in a pretty large pot. UTG was pretty loose and agressive so I wasnt necesarrily going to give him credit for the ace. [/ QUOTE ] Emmitt - You indicate you are raising to protect your hand. From what I ask...? An Ace has already fallen, and the only "real" draw out there is QJ -- but they are drawing to kings. Given that you have two already in your hand - raising here isn't going to get you much in the way of protection - let them draw to a two outer. No one is betting a flush draw, or an open end straight draw. - I drop it on the flop - yes they are cowboys, yes you probably had the best hand going in, and yes you are probably beat. On the turn - you really need to let this hand go. You've raised PF, raised the Flop and been bet into on the turn. Not only that - he's betting into 4 people -- all of which called. Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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