Heads up play

ArturiusX · #1 04-15-2005, 04:16 AM

PokerRoom 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: is with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] .
1 fold, BontJamesBon raises, 7 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, BontJamesBon calls.

Turn: (2.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, BontJamesBon bets, BB calls.

River: (4.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, BontJamesBon bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

Who likes waiting for the turn?

scotty34 · #2 04-15-2005, 04:21 AM

Looks like a bit of a converter error, I'm assuming from your tone that you raised the flop. That's my line as well I think. He may be semi-bluffing with two hearts or have a PP or lower J. I really doubt he is folding right here, so I like the raise. Also, you really don't want to be 3-bet on the turn, so if it's 3-bet back to you on the flop, you can slow down.

DeathDonkey · #3 04-15-2005, 04:29 AM

I like it, too bad he foiled your turn raise plan. Rest is easy of course.

-DeathDonkey

pistol78 · #4 04-15-2005, 04:38 AM

Not me. I actually like raising the flop.

1. If by some chance he has a heart I want to charge some more now.

2. If he has a J he isnt goping anywhere.

3. Recently I have found that my opponents interpret my flop raise as an unimproved AK or a free card play and will lead on the turn, allowing me to raise them again

I had a hand like this, I believe I had QT flop came Q5T he bet i raised, turn came a brick, he bet i raised, river came a brick he bet i raised he called MHIG.

jaxUp · #5 04-15-2005, 04:42 AM

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I had a hand like this, I believe I had QT flop came Q5T he bet i raised, turn came a brick, he bet i raised, river came a brick he bet i raised he called MHIG.

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Anecdotes like this really prove nothing. For example: today I coldcalled preflop with 68o and hit a straight to win a 15BB pot. That doesn't mean it's the right play.

ArturiusX · #6 04-15-2005, 04:44 AM

By the way, the real reason I play it this way is the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. If I raise, overcards are going to call for one more, so by calling I'm waiting for the turn card to see how I play.

Charging the hearts? Why? So they don't get the odds to play on? Implied odds will more than make up for that. Suppose he does have a flush, if he hits it on the turn I've still got 13 outs to beat him, thats even if he has a flush.

And if he has a J, chances are he'll slow down on the turn if I pop him on the flop.

By waiting for a good turn card, I can reasses and trap him for more bets than a turn raise could. In other words, a flop call gives me more options, steals more bets off him, and allows me to get away from my hand cheaper.

jaxUp · #7 04-15-2005, 04:46 AM

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By the way, the real reason I play it this way is the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. If I raise, overcards are going to call for one more, so by calling I'm waiting for the turn card to see how I play.

Charging the hearts? Why? So they don't get the odds to play on? Implied odds will more than make up for that. Suppose he does have a flush, if he hits it on the turn I've still got 13 outs to beat him, thats even if he has a flush.

And if he has a J, chances are he'll slow down on the turn if I pop him on the flop.

By waiting for a good turn card, I can reasses and trap him for more bets than a turn raise could. In other words, a flop call gives me more options, steals more bets off him, and allows me to get away from my hand cheaper.

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I like all of this.

pistol78 · #8 04-15-2005, 04:47 AM

True but replying to them does nothing either. Commenting on the strategy they recomend might prove to be more insightfull.

jaxUp · #9 04-15-2005, 04:50 AM

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True but replying to them does nothing either. Commenting on the strategy they recomend might prove to be more insightfull.

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Ba-ZING... NH. I was basically to lazy to type my thoughts out, and knew that Arturius or DD would do it for me. Thankfully arturius did...His analysis of this hand is very sound.

ArturiusX · #10 04-15-2005, 04:50 AM

Just a tip for the newer players, master heads up and you're 75% towards being a winning poker player. It takes a lot of experience, but the thinking involved and the cat and mouse games really sharpen you up.

Playing the odds with draws are boring hands, and dont teach you poker. Playing for big pots don't teach you poker. They teach you how to see monsters. Heads up everythings a lot tighter, thus really test your skills.