The nature of 800 chip games

[Jbrochu]

Even in the 1500 chip games I have a hard time getting away from TPTK once about 1/3 of my stack or more has been committed.

[Snarf]

This thread comforted me.

I often shrug my shoulders and put it in the center...

Sometimes I look like a doneky ass who can't fold TP...sometimes I doulbe through early...seems the latter happens more often...but those strectch of the former make you question yourself sometimes...

[yvesaint]

c/r is godawful on this flop, especially considering stack sizes/pf action

from what i see, so many people here overuse the c/r when a lead is way better in a lot of situations

[Snarf]

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c/r is godawful on this flop, especially considering stack sizes/pf action

from what i see, so many people here overuse the c/r when a lead is way better in a lot of situations

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[45suited]

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c/r is godawful on this flop, especially considering stack sizes/pf action

from what i see, so many people here overuse the c/r when a lead is way better in a lot of situations

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Look, I admit that the check was not great, but to say C/R is godawful is a bit much. I mean, the pot was heads-up. Must I fear a flush draw every time two of a suit comes on a flop? Yes, there are potential draws out there, but IF if am certain (I know you can never be totally sure) that if I check, villain will bet, then what would be so bad with putting him all in with a C/R to make him pay for his draw? If he's ahead (as was the case here), then the point is moot either way. If he's behind, I'm getting all my money in with the best hand.

This is all predicated on his likelihood of betting if I check. If I could be sure of a bet, a C/R all-in seems perfectly fine to me. What's wrong with getting as much money in as possible with the best hand?

Again, I would never check here in a multi-way pot.

[ZeroPointMachine]

My personal belief is that both players have to have at least 50xBB before there is enough maneuvering room to escape from TPTK. With any less it is really hard to escape being pot committed by the possibility of a bluff/crazy donk at these levels.

[Newt_Buggs]

sorry, only looked at the HH but:

I wouldn't check this flop

I would go broke here in a $215

[pergesu]

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I wouldn't check this flop

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Crap, yeah, I overlooked that. I was responding to the "theory" part of this rather than the actual hand.

No way I check the flop. The board is way too draw heavy, and you've got no reason to believe the button will bet for you (you said you don't know him, so you can't say he's hyper-aggro or something). Just bet it, and if it comes back to you raised, three-bet all-in.

[45suited]

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sorry, only looked at the HH but:

I wouldn't check this flop

I would go broke here in a $215

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Thanks for the response, I questioned my C/R, normally I would not check here. But based on his play to that point, I expected a bet from him if checked to. Kind of a stupid thing to think considering it was just level 2, but he had bet up to this point in the game when checked to.

Maybe I missed something. But the blinds were 15/30 right? And the player w/ KK just smooth called ur raise right?

I only raise AQos when it's folded down or 1 or maybe 2 limpers...and then I'm not going to push AQos to over 4xBB..but that's just me.

Especially EARLY in a SNG...when the blinds are small...I'm waiting on either premium hands ( sorry I don't personally see AQos as a top tier hand...AKs barely makes it top tier in my book ).

as for post flop...

Well if it were me I'd be wondering what the button smooth called with. ( Did he insta-call with no visible hesitation? )

Automatically I'd be putting him on AK, KK QQ, maybe JJ..but I always think worse case.

Plus now you've got a possible fl draw out there, as well as a str draw.

But again, just my lowly opinion, probably many more people here with much more experience than I have.