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Old 12-12-2005, 11:43 PM
sirio11 sirio11 is offline
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Default Pwned by Freddie Deeb, WPT Bellagio ME

Ok, I played today 2 important hands with Freddie Deeb.

Hand #1:

Blinds 50-100, first level in the tournament.

David Plastik raises to 300, Freddie Deeb called 300 in the SB and I raised to 1500 with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the big blind. David P folded and Freddie called.

Pot is 3300, and we both have near the original 30k stacks.

Flop is Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

He checked and I checked.

Turn is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Freddie bets 3000

I call

River 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Freddie bets 4k

Your move?

And any comments about the preflop, flop and turn action as well.

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Hand #2

Blinds 100-200 2nd level of the tournament

Freddie Deeb mini-raises to 400, I decided to call with 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and just the BB called also.

1300 in the pot, I'm last to act.

Flop 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB checks, Freddie bets 700, I raise to 2000, BB folds and Freddie calls.

Pot is 5300

Turn Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Freddie bets 5000 !!!!

Your move ?
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: Pwned by Freddie Deeb, WPT Bellagio ME

Grunch: hand 1:
1) Bet on flop. Im not sure how much (maybe half the pot?) , I just don't like letting this board get away from me.
2) Turn: I'm not sure if he was trying to represent the flush here or if he actually had it. You have around 2 to 1 for the call, so you really need a read here to do that or maybe push?
3) River: Fold, kick a chair?

p.s. im still learning here about MTTs, but i figure the same idea applies as in the micro forum: post more, dont read the replies first. How did the hand turn out?
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:54 PM
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Default Re: Pwned by Freddie Deeb, WPT Bellagio ME

I really hate not betting the flop on hand 1.

There are 4 Aces, 9 hearts, and 8 non heart cards that would pair the board. Any of those come off on the turn and your life just got harder. Avoid difficult spots, especially against great players. I would bet 2500 on the flop there.

Hand 2 is kind of read based, we all know you have experience against Deeb, so I would think if you went with your gut, you probably did the right thing, regardless of the outcome.

That being said, it seems to me a strong flush would want to go for a CR there after the flop action.
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: Pwned by Freddie Deeb, WPT Bellagio ME

I realize you had position, but I am not crazy about calling raises with 32s. It seems like the trouble you got into is more or less what would be expected.
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:07 AM
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Hand 1:

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I raised to 1500 with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Flop is Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

He checked and I checked.


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pwned.

Hand 2:


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Freddie bets 5000 !!!!

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Are these happy exclamation points? The odds that you're beat here are really low.



I think you're playing way too scared. In hand 1, well you just have to bet. In hand 2, his bet doesn't make much sense, but it seems very unlikely to be a flush because he'd probably c/r. More importantly, you've got a really big hand and you've disguised it to some extent, so get money in.
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:07 AM
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Default Re: Pwned by Freddie Deeb, WPT Bellagio ME

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I really hate not betting the flop on hand 1.

There are 4 Aces, 9 hearts, and 8 non heart cards that would pair the board.

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I didn't like the flop of course, but these are my reasons to check the flop

1) I want to keep the pot as small as I can.
2) I want him to think I have AK
3) I'm not that afraid of the free cards, I don't think he called a raise and a reraise with an A, possible AK and maybe AQs; but since I have KK, I think he has some pair or maybe called with suited connectors. And even if he have TT I'm not that afraid of the straight since I have 2 of the K.
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:11 AM
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Default Re: Pwned by Freddie Deeb, WPT Bellagio ME

If he can have JJ-99, I like (or at least don't hate) the check in hand 1 because this is one of those hands he can make you play for your stack but not vice versa...oh well, by the river the board sucks, next hand.

Hand 2...I'm pushing this now because I'd do the same with anything made/vulnerable.
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:11 AM
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[ QUOTE ]
I really hate not betting the flop on hand 1.

There are 4 Aces, 9 hearts, and 8 non heart cards that would pair the board.

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I didn't like the flop of course, but these are my reasons to check the flop

1) I want to keep the pot as small as I can.
2) I want him to think I have AK
3) I'm not that afraid of the free cards, I don't think he called a raise and a reraise with an A, possible AK and maybe AQs; but since I have KK, I think he has some pair or maybe called with suited connectors. And even if he have TT I'm not that afraid of the straight since I have 2 of the K.

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The range you gave includes JT, 9T, as well as 4h5h, 5h6h, 6h7h, 7h8h, KhQh, KQ, AK, AQs. I don't see why you're not afraid of giving free cards.
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:14 AM
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Default Re: Pwned by Freddie Deeb, WPT Bellagio ME

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2) I want him to think I have AK

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Wouldn't you cont. bet/semi-bluff in this spot with AK?
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:23 AM
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Default Re: Pwned by Freddie Deeb, WPT Bellagio ME

In the first hand I think someone who re-raises substantially preflop and doesn't bet out on the flop looks too suspicious.
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