Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Medium-Stakes Pot-, No-Limit Hold'em
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 12-05-2005, 11:35 PM
soah soah is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 112
Default Re: TPNK in limped pot

With only one player to act behind him, MP3 could be betting worse hands here as a bluff, semi-bluff, protection, or some combination of bluffing/protection (betting a ten or a pocket pair which he presumes is good). I think that against many opponents your hand will be good here often enough to be worth continuing with. Furthermore, you have position over him in a small pot. Playing your hand aggressively puts a ton of pressure on him. It will be tough to call a big bet on the turn even with some hands that beat you (AJ, etc). Since he is seeing 60% of flops he will more often just hold an ace or ten here than a set. AA and AK are hands he'd almost certainly raise preflop, perhaps TT and AQ as well.

Even if your read on him (tight postflop) turns out to be wrong, you still will end up splitting 1/3 of the time if he calls down with Ad8d or whatever.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-05-2005, 11:44 PM
tdomeski tdomeski is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 114
Default Re: TPNK in limped pot

I think folding > raising > calling.

I mean if you are ahead he is probably very live, if you are behind you are probably barely live if live at all.

If you are raising the flop then betting the turn hard hoping he folds a hand that would split with you or beat you then what does it even matter that you have an Ace? Might as well be no pair no draw that you are bluffing with.

Not to mention you may get c/r by blinds.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-06-2005, 12:07 AM
soah soah is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 112
Default Re: TPNK in limped pot

Having an ace lets you check behind and win sometimes on the river if it turns out he was chasing a flush or makes a very loose calldown.

My opinion on this hand may be prejudiced though by the fact that in my last session I was sitting right behind a very weak/loose player who folded on the turn to me several times when I used this line on him with just draws... I knew he usually wouldn't have a very strong hand there and that he needed a big hand to look me up with (I'd won most hands that were shown down so he thinks I've got a big hand to keep firing with). But this was shorthanded so I guess in full ring the players won't play the flop as aggressively with marginal hands? We really don't have any information on how MP3 plays postflop. I've just gone with the assumption that he'll be betting a wide range there, if that's not the case then folding would certainly be best.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-06-2005, 12:19 AM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: TPNK in limped pot

..You gotta know when to fold 'em...know when to walk away...know when to run..
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-06-2005, 03:44 AM
freehat freehat is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 3
Default Re: TPNK in limped pot

[ QUOTE ]
Eh. I don't want to win a small postflop pot here, I want to make a nut flush or wheel or two pair and I want to win a big one.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is flawed thinking you want to maximize your EV in this situation, so winning lots of smaller pots can have a higher expectation of winning that one big pot. Also this guy limped 2 off the button, his hand probably sucks, so raise his ass. Also by raising the pot preflop the pot will now be bigger postflop so when you hit a big hand you have a better chance of being paid off.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-06-2005, 03:52 AM
tdomeski tdomeski is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 114
Default Re: TPNK in limped pot

[ QUOTE ]
This is flawed thinking you want to maximize your EV in this situation

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok. Fold.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-06-2005, 03:41 PM
xorbie xorbie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,828
Default Re: TPNK in limped pot

[ QUOTE ]

This is flawed thinking you want to maximize your EV in this situation, so winning lots of smaller pots can have a higher expectation of winning that one big pot. Also this guy limped 2 off the button, his hand probably sucks, so raise his ass. Also by raising the pot preflop the pot will now be bigger postflop so when you hit a big hand you have a better chance of being paid off.


[/ QUOTE ]

Raising against this guy with this hand is not that great. He's probably open limping a lot of SC, a lot of PP, a lot of Axs himself. I can make him lay down all that stuff postflop if he checks to me with second pair, but if I instead raise suddenly there's a pot to fight about and if I end up with A high I'm not getting paid off, whereas if he ends up beating my pair of aces suddenly I'm stuck playing a much bigger pot than I'd like. I can't imagine what the benefits to raising here are.

In any case, I decided that this is the perfect spot to raise the flop. This guy raises enough preflop to where I can rule out AK, probably AQ, especially given such a late open limp. With such a low went to showdown I don't think this guy is gonna play a big pot with A7 here so I have a ton of FE against his Ax hands and so he's much more likely to call with a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] draw than anything else.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-06-2005, 04:21 PM
Finwe Finwe is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Raleigh/Vienna
Posts: 16
Default Re: TPNK in limped pot

[ QUOTE ]
I think folding > raising > calling.


[/ QUOTE ]
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-06-2005, 04:24 PM
ahnuld ahnuld is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 185
Default Re: TPNK in limped pot

I six table so I fold this. No time for marginal hands, one of the draw backs of multitablers.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-06-2005, 04:30 PM
fathertime fathertime is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 79
Default Re: TPNK in limped pot

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx


Where do you find the 6 max, 9 handed games? Bet they are really profitable!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.