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Old 12-04-2005, 06:21 PM
rbear rbear is offline
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Default Re: $109 Level 2, LAG-gy opponent, OOP and horrible flop (KK)

you don't reraise at all preflop???
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:21 PM
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Default Re: $109 Level 2, LAG-gy opponent, OOP and horrible flop (KK)

Why not make a continuation bet? If the flop didn't hit Villain, which is likely, your bet is likely to be very scary. If he comes over the top, you're not in bad shape when you fold, but you've given yourself a decent chance to win the pot.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: $109 Level 2, LAG-gy opponent, OOP and horrible flop (KK)

That's what I did, but I didn't fold the cont bet. The problem is against a LAG, in my opinion, this is going to be a naked heart or some other crap so often, I find it very hard to lay it down. Now if it had been a rainbow board, that's very different..
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: $109 Level 2, LAG-gy opponent, OOP and horrible flop (KK)

The way tigerite played it was fine. He raised enough to get value for his hand. He'd have been happy to go all in if he knew he'd be called. He was trying to do better than just picking up what was in the pot at that time. KK is strong enough to go for a bit more, which is what tigerite did.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: $109 Level 2, LAG-gy opponent, OOP and horrible flop (KK)

I push this preflop, the crap that calls you is ASTOUNDING (at $55's), and i'd imagine the $109s still have ALOT of players callin' w/ AJ and 22.

To the perosn that said u win more by raising to 345 than pushing:

Think about the % of hands he will call your push with, and your edge. 8%

Think the number of times an A flops and he has an A (1/6)-- you make a ~300 continuation bet, and fold.

Think the number of times he compeltely misses, and folds to you continuation bet.

How often will he hit a hand that u beat, or not hit and bluff?

I think pushing is the way to go.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:34 PM
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Default Re: $109 Level 2, LAG-gy opponent, OOP and horrible flop (KK)

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Being that there are a lot of aces in that range, do you think pushing (representing AK) is an effective way of getting villian off weaker ace?

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He folds A2+ here around 5% of the time with a 5% margin of error
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: $109 Level 2, LAG-gy opponent, OOP and horrible flop (KK)

I think a smaller CB would be fine, like 60% or so of the flop. This should be large enough to be scary for the other guy, but is small enough that you can get away from your hand. If your plan is to call him if he goes over the top, then that's an optimal size for that result too. If your plan is to go to the felt with the hand, a bet like this is better than pushing as you're much more likely to get all in as a favorite. If your plan is to take a shot at the pot without committing yourself, you have that option too.

Pushing pre-flop seems fine too. The way you played is likely higher EV than just pushing, but probably not by much. It's a way of playing that gives your a chance of doubling up without much risk, and if you win the pot right away, that's OK too. Less volatility and more clear-cut. Especially if you're multi-tabling giving up a little EV for clarity seems sensible.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: $109 Level 2, LAG-gy opponent, OOP and horrible flop (KK)

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Being that there are a lot of aces in that range, do you think pushing (representing AK) is an effective way of getting villian off weaker ace?

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He folds A2+ here around 5% of the time with a 5% margin of error

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Old 12-04-2005, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: $109 Level 2, LAG-gy opponent, OOP and horrible flop (KK)

I'll echo what adanthar said. A piece of free advice that will save you a ton of money in the long run: Trying to push someone off of top pair in an 800 chip game is one of the dumbest things you can attempt.

Edit: just noticed this was a 1000 chip game. It still applies.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:59 PM
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Default Re: $109 Level 2, LAG-gy opponent, OOP and horrible flop (KK)

Thanks.
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