Bad Downswing - multiple hand analysis - Hands 1-4

LuvDemNutz · #1 11-28-2005, 02:25 PM

As I traditionally do after getting my ass handed to me I post several of the hands to see what leaks I need to plug. I played a lot of hands this weekend, many of them poorly -

Some of these hands may seem straightforward but I appreciate any and all feedback, criticism, different lines, etc. If you find these hands to be un-interesting please skip over them. I feel that I played horribly for 2 days straight and really need to evaluate every aspect of what I did wrong.

The carnage started at 10/20 and continued at 5/10.

Assume no reads:

HAND 1 -

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($2372)
MP1 ($2032)
MP2 ($4245)
MP3 ($665)
CO ($1970)
Button ($2217)
SB ($761.55)
BB ($3343)
UTG ($3016.50)
UTG+1 ($1974)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
UTG calls $20, 1 fold, Hero calls $20, MP1 calls $20, 4 folds, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($100) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets $30, BB folds, UTG calls $30, Hero raises to $150, MP1 calls $150, SB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: ($460) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $425, MP1 calls $425.

River: ($1310) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $900, MP1 calls $1437 (All-In), Hero calls $537.

Final Pot: $4184

HAND 2 -

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($2752)
CO ($1653)
Button ($3545)
SB ($638)
BB ($1967)
UTG ($1047)
UTG+1 ($572)
UTG+2 ($3299)
MP1 ($2218.50)
MP2 ($1807)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
3 folds, MP1 calls $20, 1 fold, Hero calls $20, CO calls $20, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($90) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $50, CO calls $50, BB folds, MP1 raises to $250, Hero calls $200, CO folds.

Turn: ($640) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets $1000, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $1640

HAND 3 -

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($2000)
UTG+1 ($2060)
MP1 ($3116.50)
MP2 ($347)
MP3 ($2209)
CO ($2054)
Button ($1970)
SB ($1006)
BB ($1980)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
Hero calls $20, UTG+1 calls $20, 2 folds, MP3 calls $20, 2 folds, SB (poster) raises to $265, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1000, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, SB calls $731 (All-In), Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($2072) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($2072) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2072) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $2072

HAND 4 -

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB ($1237)
UTG ($1834)
UTG+1 ($1980)
UTG+2 ($2292)
MP1 ($2767)
Hero ($1788.50)
MP3 ($4110)
CO ($2299.50)
Button ($1825)
SB ($1274)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
UTG calls $20, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises to $80, 1 fold, Hero calls $80, 5 folds, UTG calls $60.

Flop: ($270) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $150, UTG calls $150, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: ($570) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($570) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $220, Hero calls $220.

Final Pot: $1010

Yeti · #2 11-28-2005, 02:29 PM

1 looks fine.
2 looks ok.
3 fold preflop, but i would never have seen this as i'd have raised first time around.
4 fold preflop. you really need to raise the river.

Sorry, I will reply more later, in a rush.

AZK · #3 11-28-2005, 02:30 PM

Somehow I feel like these are not the hands that are costing you a stack. Raise river in that nut flush hand.

Yeti · #4 11-28-2005, 02:31 PM

Oh and I get the feeling you raised the river in 4 and got stacked and now are trying to trick us claiming you called.

I may be wrong.

gol4pro · #5 11-28-2005, 04:24 PM

With the unders-full hand... check/call river. A straight will bet, but you're not loosing that much equity from 5x. You also save some of your stack from a better full house.

I like raise/fold on river with the nut flush.

JJ hand.... that's tilt or you must have had a read.

creedofhubris · #6 11-28-2005, 05:17 PM

Hand 1 and 2 look standard.

Hand #3, mmguh. I don't like getting allin with JJ preflop. You're almost never way ahead and are often way behind.

Hand #4, preflop I like a fold.

I think you can raise the river to 600 or so and fold to an allin.

#7 11-28-2005, 05:43 PM

hand 1:

Looks good .cant see anything wrong here.

hand 2: I would have re-raised him when he raised you on the flop ..id have made it 650-700. Or even consider a push here.

hand 3: wtf ? ..weird hand, not sure why he would bet so much..this one comes down to reads, but im pretty sure its a fold 9 times out of 10.

hand 4: Definitely re-raise the river..make it 500ish.

BIgMc · #8 11-28-2005, 06:01 PM

hand 1: No reason to raise. You might have been beat that hand, but you have to assume you have the winner. So many good draws out there, just call the flop and let that pot get juicy.

hand 2: Give him another raise on the flop. Put him to the test, let him choose to gamble. You have to assume you have the best hand there as well. Good fold on the turn, you are beat unless he's REALLY gambling with a set.

hand 3: He was short stacked, so the re-raise was correct to knock everyone else out... if you wanted to play. I never like SB raises. I wouldn't be surprised if your jacks were toast preflop.

cero_z · #9 11-28-2005, 06:28 PM

Hi LDN,

Hand 1: What else could you do?

Hand 2: I would get broke some portion of the time here, because why is he betting a grand into 500, and does he necessarily put us on more than a set? Folding is fine a lot of the time, of course.

Hand 3: Good. I assume you limped UTG with JJ for some specific reason (SB just lost a big pot, or someone was perpetually raising limpers), and that it's not your default line. Isolating the shortstacked SB seems good to me, as long as his range to make it 265 initially doesn't have you crushed. Given that, JJ does well against his re-raise calling range.

Hand 4: With 2500+ effective stacks, I'll call 80 there pf (or sometimes re-raise) if the raiser doesn't play well post-flop. With 1700 and change, I insta-muck. As played, I don't know how you don't raise the river, unless the bettor's amount (220 into 570) told you something very specific.

If you lost all these hands, they're just tough ones. I'm getting as many or more chips in than you did in every hand except #4.

LuvDemNutz · #10 11-28-2005, 09:38 PM

Thanks for the responses so far guys.

Hand 1 -

The smooth call on the flop bothered me a little. But I hadn't seen a set in so long I ignored it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Even during the hand the 4 on the turn and the 6 on the river I think should've slowed me down a bit as the most likely hands here are 65s and 54s. Anywya, I think check-call turn, check call-river might've been better. Villain flopped quads and I was toast from the outset.

Hand 2 -
I figured Villain had the nuts, put me on a set and wanted to make sure I paid to fill up. Either that or he had a set himself and made a good play.

Hand 3 -

Villain was short so I though it was either push or fold here. I really thought I had the best hand and maybe even QQ folds since I LRRed. Villain had AK but I lost the race.

Hand 4 -

Villain had 3's full for a strangely played flopped bottom set. I had a weird feeling about this one.

Hands 5-8 to come!

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