KQ 30 HAND. I PLAY BAD.

flawless_victory · #1 11-22-2005, 01:07 AM

stars 5handed game.
everyone is playing LAG/bad. no unraised pots.

i open red KQo CO, aggro soso button threebets. he has prob noticed me raising light and this includes lots of J8s capping and such.... donkey sb calls, i cap it (obviously), they call.

flop 5h8h5x
check, i bet, button raise, sb calls two, i call.

turn Kh
check, i check intending to checkraise (told u guys i suck), button checks through.

river Kx
sb bets, i call...

Lmn55d · #2 11-22-2005, 01:12 AM

yea in my experience a lot of mediocre LAG type players will check behind on that turn with a mid pair fearing AK. Also you don't really want 3 bets going in on the turn unless you plan on folding to a 3bet. River is good. Also there's a subset of bad lags who fold a mid pair to your checkraise (especially if pot is protected by other guy) which you dont want

aba20 · #3 11-22-2005, 01:14 AM

I love the river call. I don't know what I would do diferently on the turn though.

ArturiusX · #4 11-22-2005, 04:29 AM

And if your checkraise didnt wiff, you probably wouldnt have posted this hand.

But because it did, you now think to yourself 'was that really the best play'?

sthief09 · #5 11-22-2005, 04:50 AM

if the turn and river were both non-hearts id raise the river. there would be a pretty decent chance the button doesn't even have A high. so i like the river call. i dont think the sb has a K. he mightve donked that and he mightve folded the flop with K high. i think a 5 or a flush are most likely, then a bluff.

i think the turn is ok. it is a lot less likely that the button will take his free card, whether he has a heart or not. he will probably bet hands like black JJ, red JJ because he has a heart draw so if he gets checkraised its not so bad, or the Ah because he has the nut flush draw. if it didnt put a third heart up, id bet there always unless he was an autobettor. also if you had black KQ then id bet there. but i think it works a lot and its not that terrible when it fails. it probably wont lose you the pot

sthief09 · #6 11-22-2005, 04:51 AM

[ QUOTE ]
And if your checkraise didnt wiff, you probably wouldnt have posted this hand.

But because it did, you now think to yourself 'was that really the best play'?

[/ QUOTE ]

not to get on the guys nuts but id say hes the last person to do that

roy_miami · #7 11-22-2005, 04:57 AM

[ QUOTE ]
i cap it (obviously)

[/ QUOTE ]

I've been playing a lot of 30/60 6 max lately, I'm basically self taught and I just started reading this short handed forum. I've had pretty good success at 10/20 6 max and 15/30 but the competition was much weaker at those levels. In a really aggressive 30/60 game is this a must cap with KQ from this position? What is the minimum you are capping with? Does anybody have a link for a good 6max preflop thread (or any other good threads from over the years)?

thanks,

Subfallen · #8 11-22-2005, 05:30 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i cap it (obviously)

[/ QUOTE ]

I've been playing a lot of 30/60 6 max lately, I'm basically self taught and I just started reading this short handed forum. I've had pretty good success at 10/20 6 max and 15/30 but the competition was much weaker at those levels. In a really aggressive 30/60 game is this a must cap with KQ from this position? What is the minimum you are capping with? Does anybody have a link for a good 6max preflop thread (or any other good threads from over the years)?

thanks,

[/ QUOTE ]

I hesitate to advise, since I don't play 30/60...but I don't think preflop really matters that much.

flawless_victory · #9 11-22-2005, 06:41 AM

[ QUOTE ]
And if your checkraise didnt wiff, you probably wouldnt have posted this hand.

But because it did, you now think to yourself 'was that really the best play'?

[/ QUOTE ]
trust me, hell no.
as soon as i hit check, i cringed.

ArturiusX · #10 11-22-2005, 06:44 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
And if your checkraise didnt wiff, you probably wouldnt have posted this hand.

But because it did, you now think to yourself 'was that really the best play'?

[/ QUOTE ]

not to get on the guys nuts but id say hes the last person to do that

[/ QUOTE ]

Haha yeah true. I was more saying it in a general way; when our plays come off, we always think we did the right thing. Results oriented. But were they? I guess thats the difference between good and great.