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Old 11-16-2005, 04:16 PM
SinCityGuy SinCityGuy is offline
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

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I open-raise JTs and QJs from UTG and I am 26/19

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I'm only 22/17, and UTG I raise any two suited cards ten or higher.
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Old 11-16-2005, 04:43 PM
MyTurn2Raise MyTurn2Raise is offline
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

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I'm @ 20/15 so I think i'd like to get up to 23/17 or so. I think figuring out where to add an extra 3% of hands can help the winrate a lil.

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I think if you go with MEBenHoe's starting hand chart, you'll get upto 24/17 or thereabouts.
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Old 11-16-2005, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

I'm "26/19" but when you filter for 5-6 handed I'm 23/17
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

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I open-raise JTs and QJs from UTG and I am 26/19

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I'm only 22/17, and UTG I raise any two suited cards ten or higher.

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Wow, I didn't know people raised JTs UTG. I raise QJs, but I guess I might start to add in the JTs. Do you guys do this as a standard, or do you need to be at a pretty tight table?
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:17 PM
gildwulf gildwulf is offline
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

Standard. I actually posted a thread a while back about some TAG raising 9Ts UTG and thinking this was crazy but some solid players on 2+2 agreed with even this raise as well...
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:26 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

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I'm usually a tight player and I'm looking for ways to loosen up a little bit pf. A lot of you guys are successful w/a 30/20 style but I can't figure out which hands to add pf and where. Can some of you more successfull LAGTAGs (Soilder, Baronzeus, etc) post a starting hand chart?

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I play the starting hand chart pretty much and I'm 24/15. I think the bulk of my difference between that and 30/20 is blind raises. I'm really tentative raising out of the blinds because I hate committing chips preflop out of position against a LAG.

I've just started going to the SSH hand chart for SB/BB raise criteria and seeing I'm not even raising the blinds as much as that says...and that's for 10 player.
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

JTs is raise or fold material obviously. But if u are at a table where u will consistently be re-raised by later positions, then always playing JTs UTG is lame. This is especially true with T9s.

Im pretty aggressive preflop but as with everything in poker it depends on playing conditions. On a sidenote I talked with King Yao for a bit about shorthanded poker and he mentioned both JTs and QJs are pretty marginal openers UTG 6max. QJs is the one hand of the two that are standard-ish imo. JTs not always.
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:34 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

i raise k10 regardless and k9 if co is a fish and the blinds are tight.

ive raised k8o a number of times and it usually turns out a disaster.
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

Yeah i think the x/20 part comes from reraising liberally on resteals in the blinds.

What is the accepted FSBtSt @ 3/6 and 5/10?
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Old 11-16-2005, 06:08 PM
Jeff W Jeff W is offline
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

Posting a chart would be a waste. If you're going to play 30% of your hands, you need to be experienced and savvy enough to play situations.

FWIW, my VPIP and PFR are 30 and 20 sorted for 4-6 handed tables:

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Button: 27.8/27.1
CO: 25.2/24.8
MP: 20.0/19.4
UTG: 17.4/17.4
BB: 40.3/11.4
SB: 37.9/19.3

I think it would be a bad idea for you to play the way I do pre flop. Stick with playing 20% of your hands pre flop and you'll be fine. When you're ready to play more hands, you won't need a chart.
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