Research Study -- Participants Wanted

[SumZero]

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But couldn't one just get it from the lobby?

By clicking on the tables individually and take a screen shot.

One could do this at every break and then take the final standings and match names. It's a lot of leg work, but it offers a big sample size and one that isn't biased by being made up entirely of brown trouts (unless of course the intention of the study is to be limited to 2+2ers).

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I don't know what the UI is like on other sites but on UB you absolutely can get the complete list of everyone left in the tournament and what each persons sorted list of exact chip amounts is at any moment in time (although sometimes it has a 1 or 2 minute lag) from the tournament lobby. You can also see # of players left and average chip stack and blind amount them. Someone who took screen shots/screen scraping/data mining from the UB application (which may be in violation of T&C of the site) would have the information for every player for the tournament across time and do what the poster is suggesting.

[FishInAPhoneBooth]

This is absolutely brilliant.

[FishInAPhoneBooth]

TTT

[zoobird]

Thanks. I didn't realize this thread had survived, but you guys explained exactly what I was talking about - cut and pasting the data from the lobby at regular intervals. You could do it for every tournament. Its a lot of work, but there's nothing like having a really good set of data to work with when you're doing research.

[FishInAPhoneBooth]

40ker's please participate.

[Dave D]

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The latest theoretical discussions made me think about this. This forum should be a good source for collecting data about how much a chip is really worth in an MTT. So I'm asking people to participate in a research study.

I will focus solely on the Party Poker $40K guaranteed, in order to reduce variance associated with different sites and different tournaments. The study will run until December 31, 2005. Participants will enter the following information in an Excel worksheet that I created:
<ul type="square">[*]Date of Tournament[*]# of Entrants in Tournament[*]In what place did you finish?[*]Gross Dollars Awarded[*]# of Chips after 15 minutes (end of 1st level)[*]# of Players after 15 minutes (end of 1st level)[*]# of Chips at 1st break[*]# of Players at 1st break[*]# of chips at 2nd break[*]# of Players at 2nd break[*]etc etc etc[/list]
I tried to make it as simple as possible, so that people would find it easy to participate. With this kind of data, we could figure out a person's M or Q at certain points in the tournament, and see how that relates to a person's place in the tournament. For example, what does it mean when you have twice as many chips as the average player at the first break? Are your expected earnings doubled, or something less than that? Does increasing your chip stack increase your chances of winning in a linear way, or in some other way? etc etc etc. Of course the study will be biased, since the participants will probably be better than the average player. But I still think the data will be meaningful, though it may not generalize to the average player or to different tournaments.

If you participate in the study, I will send you a copy of the raw datafile before I do any work on it myself. That way, you can run your own analyses if you like, and share them with the forum.

If you are willing to participate, please do the following:

1. Post a reply to this message (this will encourage other people to participate).

2. Send an email to uncpsyc28@nc.rr.com with the following subject line: 2+2

I will send you a zipped file of the Excel worksheet to fill in your data from now until December 31, 2005 (the end of the study). Hopefully enough people will participate that we will get some meaningful data. I would say we need a minimum of 50 people to make it worth the effort.

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Oct 22


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