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#11
10-17-2005, 11:47 PM
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Re: Anyone Push Here - Commerce 10/20
what the hell is pokerstove?
if its a poker odds calculator what are you trying to imply?that A10 doesn't match up well vs. "any ten"? cuz thats one magical odds calculator. not even to mention the fact that the possible range of hands that could be raising here includes hands much weaker then a ten. you have to remember that to alot of novice players a preflop raise means AK so there are a lot of hands that will raise here. i think a big problem a lot of posters here have is not realizing that not everyone out there plays the same way they do. but in your OP you stated that even if the raiser will raise any ten hero's hand doesn't match up well and thats just ridiculous. 
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#12
10-17-2005, 11:49 PM
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Re: Anyone Push Here - Commerce 10/20
I said 'any ten or better'. And then I PokerStoved it (yes, it's a calculator) and realised that you really have to limit the bad tens he'll play and also allow him to have overpairs and also not allow draws for you to not have good equity here. And then I honestly thanked you.
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#13
10-17-2005, 11:51 PM
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Re: Anyone Push Here - Commerce 10/20
overpairs? are you kidding?
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#14
10-18-2005, 12:01 AM
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Re: Anyone Push Here - Commerce 10/20
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overpairs? are you kidding? [/ QUOTE ] Dude, I'm 100% agreeing with you. When I realised that you had to give him way too strong a hand range (e.g. including overpairs) I realised how wrong I had been. That's it.
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#15
10-18-2005, 12:16 AM
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Re: Anyone Push Here - Commerce 10/20
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Dude, I'm 100% agreeing with you. When I realised that you had to give him way too strong a hand range (e.g. including overpairs) I realised how wrong I had been. That's it. [/ QUOTE ] its all good. if you haven't played in the commerce games then you probably would have a hard time understanding my incredulation.
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#16
10-18-2005, 12:30 AM
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Re: Anyone Push Here - Commerce 10/20
how can people be shelling out a 20$ big blind without ever picking up a book, studying their play realizing mistakes, and being donk enough to push with a deep stack and TPTK(or Qkicker) ...it doesn't make sense. Kinda sounds like the average 10$ SnG'er on pacific(from which I have far graduated)......... [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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#18
10-18-2005, 02:46 AM
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Re: Anyone Push Here - Commerce 10/20
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all you online players can't fathom playing a huge pot w/just one pair, but in the commerce game this would be a good spot to do it. [/ QUOTE ] WTF are you talking about? We play 20k pots every day w/ one pair, baby! Seriously, one pair is a lot more of a felt hand online than live.
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#19
10-18-2005, 02:48 AM
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Re: Anyone Push Here - Commerce 10/20
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how can people be shelling out a 20$ big blind without ever picking up a book, studying their play realizing mistakes, and being donk enough to push with a deep stack and TPTK(or Qkicker) ...it doesn't make sense. [/ QUOTE ] Attitudes like this keep people from being able to beat the bigger games.
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#20
10-18-2005, 02:48 AM
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Re: Anyone Push Here - Commerce 10/20
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[ QUOTE ] Yes, online it's harder to fathom playing for one pair for a big stack because at about NL400 or more specifically NL600, most (not all) players aren't willing to stick it in with even an overpair. I'm dealing with a bunch of weak-tight nits. If the Commerce and other live games are so good that TPTK or an overpair is good like this, then maybe I should stop playing online 4-tables and look to playing live more often. [/ QUOTE ] this would definately be a +EV play for you. [/ QUOTE ] No, it wouldn't.
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