Hand I played terribly

[bakku]

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I also think you can 3-bet the flop and fold the river safely.

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I think folding this river is a bad play.

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so is calling [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Justin A]

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I also think you can 3-bet the flop and fold the river safely.

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I think folding this river is a bad play.

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so is calling [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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yep.

[toss]

What about raising the turn then if you think the pot is big enough to warrant a raise and knock out MP2. On the turn the pot is 9BB and it would be nice to make him fold as much as 6 outs.

[imported_stealthcow]

either 3bet the flop or raise the turn. you're hand is either the best now, or on the flop its drawing to the best. your hand has so much value that i think taking this passive line on the flop/turn is a big mistake

and i raise preflop. i want it 5+ handed for 2 bets, not 1

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[Luv2DriveTT]

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I see. That line is probably OK, though I raise it up anyway.

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I think you mean you spew your chips anyway... your line is not wise Drew.

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[Justin A]

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What about raising the turn then if you think the pot is big enough to warrant a raise and knock out MP2. On the turn the pot is 9BB and it would be nice to make him fold as much as 6 outs.

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I thought about this and I think it has validity, but I think it's much less likely that MP2 folds a hand better than mine on the turn.

[DrewOnTilt]

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I'm putting UTG on a flush draw or a 5 once he donkbets the turn. Then again that hand range may be much too narrow. MP2 either has overcards or a mid PP as his stats imply he'll fastplay a made hand. So folding the river is may be a bad play.

As for where you played the hand badly I can only think of the flop then.

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The river is what I was getting at.

As soon as I pressed the call button I realized my mistake. I think this is a pretty clear raise. UTG can have a ton of hands, including a lot of pair+ straight draw combos. The fact that he limped UTG and he's unknown leads me to believe he sucks, even though it's not necessarily the case. On the river there's 12 bets in the pot when it gets to me, and I think I'm ahead of UTG a very good amount of the time. However, the way MP2 played it, I think he's got a pair better than mine a decent amount of the time, and he'll most likely fold it if I raise.

I haven't done the math on it, but my guess is that this is a clear raise.

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This has been a good thread on postflop play.

I will agree that a river raise might get MP2 to fold a higher pocket pair. But for the life of me I can't put UTG on anything that we beat.

What's his hand range? It would make more sense to C/R with trip fives, so maybe we can discount that hand. If he donked the turn with a heart flush draw, then he made his flush.

What are we putting him on here?

[SeaEagle]

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As soon as I pressed the call button I realized my mistake. I think this is a pretty clear raise. UTG can have a ton of hands, including a lot of pair+ straight draw combos. The fact that he limped UTG and he's unknown leads me to believe he sucks, even though it's not necessarily the case. On the river there's 12 bets in the pot when it gets to me, and I think I'm ahead of UTG a very good amount of the time. However, the way MP2 played it, I think he's got a pair better than mine a decent amount of the time, and he'll most likely fold it if I raise.


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Why on earth would MP2 fold an overpair to a raise from you here? The only hand the river made was a BD flush, and nobody's slowplaying 5x on the turn with such a coordinated board.

[sean c]

i want it 5+ handed for 2 bets, not 1

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Huh? Why?

[Luv2DriveTT]

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i want it 5+ handed for 2 bets, not 1

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Huh? Why?

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So you are getting a pot size equivelent to the odds of making a set.

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