Wow, I Am The Sunday Night Donkey!!! (LC?)

directscooter · #1 08-28-2005, 11:39 PM

I almost don't want to post this here because there was a fellow 2+2er at the table, but I need to be berated... any reason to make any of these plays? Took a really good day and gave it all back....

MP1 is 31/7 so his raise could be a range of hands
SB is 63/37 so who knows
UTG+1 is 74/19 so again....

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

MP3 ($64.65)
CO ($146)
Button ($242.40)
SB ($33.10)
BB ($100)
UTG ($192.15)
UTG+1 ($97.80)
UTG+2 ($83.05)
MP1 ($144.80)
Hero ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $5, Hero raises to $15, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $32.60 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $32.10, MP1 calls $28.10, Hero calls $18.10.

Flop: ($133.40) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero calls $66.90 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $64.70 (All-In), MP1 folds.

Turn: ($265) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($265) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $265

I think I needed to either push preflop, but was afraid to fold QQ, etc and just get called by KK, AA. Had decided that if it got to me I would push any flop, is this a terrible decision against these opponents?

HANDS 2:

Should have folded preflop, Villain was 30/3 and a calling station, so I need to fold to his reraise, right? Figured it was either a fold or push situation.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

BB ($100)
UTG ($142)
UTG+1 ($231.40)
UTG+2 ($136.90)
MP1 ($98.50)
MP2 ($194.50)
MP3 ($134.60)
CO ($80.55)
Button ($109.70)
Hero ($99)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, UTG+2 raises to $2, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2, MP3 raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $2.50, BB calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, UTG+2 calls $1, MP2 calls $1.

Flop: ($18) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets $15, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $15, UTG+2 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($48) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG+1 raises to $45, Hero calls $66 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $36.

River: ($210) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $210

Hand 3:

Villain is same from Hand 1 63/37, can I play this to the end? Against a maniac I usually would play TPTK like this since I would not be suprised to see Ax here, but on this board?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

BB ($96)
UTG ($156.55)
UTG+1 ($334.90)
UTG+2 ($129.20)
MP1 ($104.50)
MP2 ($189)
MP3 ($132.80)
CO ($73.90)
Button ($107.20)
Hero ($97)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $1, 5 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $4.5, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $4.

Flop: ($11) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $9, UTG+2 raises to $18, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($47) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $20, Hero calls $20.

River: ($87) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $40, Hero calls $40.

Final Pot: $167

yvesaint · #2 08-28-2005, 11:43 PM

Hand 1 makes me want to cry. You are last to act, there is over $100 in the pot already, and you have $85 left. One action.

directscooter · #3 08-28-2005, 11:48 PM

The thing that gets me is, I ALWAYS push in that situation, but have been thinking lately about some of the comments on here about forcing out hands I beat like QQ, etc, and only getting called by AA, KK... I am assuming this was not one of those situations?

yvesaint · #4 08-28-2005, 11:52 PM

No, there's a short stack all-in, there's 2 other people already in for $30, if by chance both fold after investing 30 BBs pre-flop, I'm very happy just picking up the $100 (already a full buy-in of itself).

imported_anacardo · #5 08-28-2005, 11:55 PM

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The thing that gets me is, I ALWAYS push in that situation, but have been thinking lately about some of the comments on here about forcing out hands I beat like QQ, etc, and only getting called by AA, KK... I am assuming this was not one of those situations?

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[censored], no. It's not even a pot-sized raise!

directscooter · #6 08-29-2005, 12:00 AM

I wish I at least gave it to you... that was you at the table I am assuming?
Any thoughts on the other 2 hands if you were there and saw the Villains I am speaking of?

directscooter · #7 08-29-2005, 12:01 AM

Agreed, funny because I thought I was being smart at the time keeping in some questionable hands... but NO!!! I was just flat out bad.
All in 63/37 had AA (oh well) but should have cut my losses there as the guy who called my all in had A7, and I am assuming he would have folded.
Any thoughts on the other hands?
I feel like I took like 5 steps back tonight in my poker development, losing stacks to the "bad" players at the table.

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imported_anacardo · #8 08-29-2005, 12:05 AM

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I wish I at least gave it to you... that was you at the table I am assuming?
Any thoughts on the other 2 hands if you were there and saw the Villains I am speaking of?

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Ah, yes! I remember this one.

That one guy who absolutely WOULD NOT lay down a hand if he thought he had any kind of a chance.

I'm sure you saw the hand where he called a bet and raise with a five-high gutshot draw on a two-flush board.

Yeah, I mean, you ran into every ace in the deck. I'm not sure if the guy who saw the flop would have laid down anyway, had you pushed preflop, but then, you don't really want him to. No matter what actually happened, you really should have gotten it in preflop. You're way, way ahead of the range of two jokers like this.

Hand Two - clear, clear turn bet/fold. That guy wasn't aggressive at all. There's nothing here that you beat.

Hand three is pretty tough, given who you were up against, but you have to understand that there are levels of donktacularity. That guy was a pretty ridiculous preflop player, but didn't play all that badly postflop. He made several loose calls and a few stupid min-raise moves here and there, but when this guy's raising you, then betting you for value all the way down, I think you have to give it up. Had you been in with that other guy, I would've been quite comfortable going to the felt.

kongo_totte · #9 08-29-2005, 12:06 AM

Hand 1

Push pre-flop

Hand 2

Fold pre-flop

Hand 3

Check-fold turn.

kongo_totte · #10 08-29-2005, 12:07 AM

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but have been thinking lately about some of the comments on here about forcing out hands I beat like QQ, etc, and only getting called by AA, KK... I am assuming this was not one of those situations?

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You are right, that does not apply when the pot is as big as it is here.