Raising AJo UTG

ianlippert · #1 08-08-2005, 05:31 PM

I just got Turbo Texas Holdem and have started fooling around with it. I've started with some of the more borderline hands. The first thing I did was use the advisor. I rigged the deck to deal AJo utg in a tight-aggressive 10 player game. I check with the advisor and it suggests that I raise. I was kind of surprised at this as I have been folding AJo UTG for a long time, and it felt like the right play just based on my play experience.

I then put together some simulation to find the ev for an open raise with AJo from every position. This sim showed that AJo UTG is definately a -ev play. Anyone use the TTH advisor and just find that it gives bad advice?

How do ppl generally feel about raising AJo UTG in a full ring game?

#2 08-08-2005, 05:40 PM

There would have to be a reasonable chance of picking up the blinds for me to consider it.

uuDevil · #3 08-08-2005, 06:23 PM

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Anyone use the TTH advisor and just find that it gives bad advice?

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I have an older version than what is available now. The advice is poor in my version.

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How do ppl generally feel about raising AJo UTG in a full ring game?

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At least in small stakes games, I don't think there's much difference between raising and limping. Folding is too tight.

TTH simulations aren't given much weight around here, but that doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile fiddling around with it. You might get different results from your simulation depending on the utg player and opponent profiles. I'd suggest using the best-playing profile for the utg player and varying the styles of his opponents.

thirddan · #4 08-08-2005, 06:44 PM

I raise AJo and KQo from UTG in full ring, as do just about all players in the SS forum (i would imagine Mid/Hi as well)...

ThinkQuick · #5 08-08-2005, 07:44 PM

Our B&M SS game was playing way tighter than normal for some reason or other, and as I was realizing it I looked at AJo UTG, and raised. 4 callers so I'm a little worried I'm going to have to hit to win, but I do, J high flop and my TPTK holds up. a local regular across the table says to his neighbour (rather loudly): boy I'm afraid to call Ace-jack in early position, look at this guy.

I'm fine with that.

kpux · #6 08-08-2005, 08:44 PM

Raise it up. An added benefit is TAGs will fold hands you don't really want to play against, like KQo and 88.

TaintedRogue · #7 08-09-2005, 02:16 AM

Abdul Jalib used it to determine the best starting hands from each position in a typical game. AJo is a fold UTG.

#8 08-09-2005, 02:56 AM

i would call

#9 08-09-2005, 09:11 AM

I dont like call here...
Raise, and be aware of whos in the hand, reads are everything here. If you get 1 or 2 TAG callers, be aware and hope you hit, Against lags, im raising this and not worrying to much, the local casino I play in has 7-8 lags per table and they think Ax is like gold.
cdl

uuDevil · #10 08-09-2005, 12:48 PM

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Abdul Jalib used it to determine the best starting hands from each position in a typical game. AJo is a fold UTG.

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I'm curious about the simulation conditions he used to come to this conclusion.

Folding is too tight for a "typical game." In the real world, AJo is a winning hand from all positions even for average (losing) players. See the PokerRoom EV Stats.