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Old 12-22-2005, 02:07 PM
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WTF?! his numbers were AWFUL this year

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Would rather have Heap. Gonzalez is getting the veteran HOF vote.

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Old 12-22-2005, 04:29 PM
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I know the Jets stink this year but how in the world can you not give Jonathan Vilma an invite? He won ROY last year and now he leads the NFL in tackles.

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The Tackles stat is misleading. Vilma is having a good season and may have deserved to go to the Pro Bowl, but he leads the league in tackles because he's the MLB on a team that's always playing from behind and has a D-line built to rush the passer, so he has a ton of opportunities. If Wilson and Vilma switched teams, they'd probably switch tackle totals, as well.
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:18 PM
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I know the Jets stink this year but how in the world can you not give Jonathan Vilma an invite? He won ROY last year and now he leads the NFL in tackles.

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The Tackles stat is misleading. Vilma is having a good season and may have deserved to go to the Pro Bowl, but he leads the league in tackles because he's the MLB on a team that's always playing from behind and has a D-line built to rush the passer, so he has a ton of opportunities. If Wilson and Vilma switched teams, they'd probably switch tackle totals, as well.

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Please. Of course tackle stats can be misleading, but to suggest that a 145-67 difference is simply the result of their respective systems and situtations is ridiculous.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:31 PM
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Please. Of course tackle stats can be misleading, but to suggest that a 145-67 difference is simply the result of their respective systems and situtations is ridiculous.

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Normally you'd be right, but this is an extreme case. The Broncos have defended against 307 runs, fewest in the NFL. The Jets have defended against 474 runs, most in the NFL. Moreover, the Jets face an unusually large number of runs up the middle, since they have two good DEs (Abraham and Ellis) and are usually facing an offense that's trying to grind the clock. For the same reason, a larger percentage of the passes they face are likely to be short ones that are often stopped by the LB corps, while Denver must have faced a higher percentage of downfield passes as they are usually playing from ahead.

In this circumstance, I think a 78 tackle difference can certainly be explained by situation and system.
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Old 12-23-2005, 04:33 AM
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So since tackles (which aren't an official NFL stat) weren't used to select Al Wilson, why is he on the team instead of Vilma?
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Old 12-23-2005, 05:24 AM
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Probably better name recognition, and being on a better team.
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