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Re: 77 Say When
Given that he is 3-betting a laggy MP openraise I think his range should be expanded a bit more than that, although I do see your point. I definitely didn't consider his PFR enough before deciding.
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Re: 77 Say When
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[ QUOTE ] And you really think PF is iffy? I've been calling with any PP's in this spot for awhile now. Is this way too loose? [/ QUOTE ] yeah, the 3-bettor has a 12 PFR. that's pretty much AA-TT, AK/AQ. your implied odds aren't remotely close enough to play it for that and I doubt there's much value in playing it for pair value [/ QUOTE ] Ooh please make that AA-99 or everything I've said is flawed! |
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Re: 77 Say When
also I think I overestimate my ability to guide small-medium pairs to the river. sure pretty often you get your money in on the flop with the best of it, but when you're ahead you're usually putting in 1 bet (unless the board is particularly nice looking) on the turn/river and when behind often 2 or 3
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Re: 77 Say When
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And you really think PF is iffy? I've been calling with any PP's in this spot for awhile now. Is this way too loose? [/ QUOTE ] Remember that you are not closing the action here. There is a "laggy preflop" player still act, so he might well cap. You really do not want to be paying three bets to see the flop here three-handed. |
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Re: 77 Say When
Wellll, I decided that this type of player probably would slowplay AA or 99 most of the time on that flop, so I decided to checkraise the river. He 3-bet, I called, and he flipped QQ. Guess his finger was stuck to the raise button on the flop.
Seems like a judgment call about whether to check/call or checkraise the riv. Bet/calling is decidedly inferior if you think about which hands will raise, which will call, and which will bet if I check. |
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Re: 77 Say When
I like river checkraise. It really feels like AQ with this guy's stats although he raised his set on the flop here.
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Re: 77 Say When
I feel retarded asking this but I'm tired and it's bothering me for some reason.
Assuming MP only calls, you're getting 7.5:2. 3.75:1 and it's 7.5:1 to flop a set. You need to make up 3.75BB postflop if you only play for set value, right? |
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Re: 77 Say When
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I feel retarded asking this but I'm tired and it's bothering me for some reason. Assuming MP only calls, you're getting 7.5:2. 3.75:1 and it's 7.5:1 to flop a set. You need to make up 3.75BB postflop if you only play for set value, right? [/ QUOTE ] no, you need to make more since you'll flop your set and lose sometimes. |
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Re: 77 Say When
that's assuming the set never loses. when they do they cost a lot. 10-1 is a fair goal
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Re: 77 Say When
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that's assuming the set never loses. when they do they cost a lot. 10-1 is a fair goal [/ QUOTE ] I like that 10-1 estimate. So you are saying you would need to "make up" 3.75 + 2.5= 6.25 SB's? So in D's example what would the final pot size need to be to attain this? Do we remove the bets that D puts in himself? Is it just that D needs to get $65 total from other contestants when hitting a set? I almost always fold pf here unless it was a blind stealing situation because I did not feel like i was getting proper set odds with implied odds... in addition to the 12pfr% 3betting is not a good thing. I typically use 5-1 as my marker. So in D's example, I would not play unless there was an additional 3bet coldcaller in addition to these other guys. I am just trying to firm up the proper way to calculate how much you need to "make up". Or at least a sound thought process. |
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