It's too quiet in here....

krishanleong · #1 12-13-2005, 07:25 PM

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks...

Villian is 2+2 taggy.

Krishan

#2 12-13-2005, 07:45 PM

I fold preflop, even 4-handed.

#3 12-13-2005, 07:51 PM

I would either fold or just complete, unless this BB is folding a substantial amount of the time. I also don't think I would bet the turn again, but given that you did, I think the river is a great card, and justifies another bet. If he had the flush draw you would have been semi-bluff raised somewhere. Even if he is slowplaying, that 3rd flush card gives him less incentive to raise you, and since it is HU, I would call even if raised (I also would really want to know what he could possibly have to make him take a line like this if he is indeed TAG).

krishanleong · #4 12-13-2005, 07:54 PM

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Even if he is slowplaying, that 3rd flush card gives him less incentive to raise you, and since it is HU, I would call even if raised (I also would really want to know what he could possibly have to make him take a line like this if he is indeed TAG).

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Why do you think I'm checking the river?

Krishan

#5 12-13-2005, 07:51 PM

I assume its check fold?

krishanleong · #6 12-13-2005, 07:53 PM

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I assume its check fold?

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I don't understand what you are saying.

Krishan

#7 12-13-2005, 07:59 PM

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I assume its check fold?

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I don't understand what you are saying.

Krishan

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Well I dont see many hands you are beating on the river. So I assumed you gave up by checking.

Lmn55d · #8 12-13-2005, 07:54 PM

I'd bet river because I'm not confident villain will bet a Q or 9 on the river. If he does there's a good chance he'll bet fold. Also I don't think there's many draws he will have to bluff.

Did you consider check/folding the turn? I know it sounds really weak and I probably would bet as well. However, most guys 3bet JK preflop so we can rule that out I think. TK gets 3bet a lot too so that should be discounted. I think very few TAGs in that game can resist raising the flop with an OESD or flush draw. If they don't it is probably b/c they are raising the turn where you will be bet/folding I assume.

So basically you're hoping villain has a gutshot draw but these raise the flop sometimes. The Q9 flop means there are a lot of these though: 8T, TK (discounted), 8J. I think this guy has a Q or a better nine a LOT here.

I would probably bet the turn as well and check/folding might be pretty exploitable, but how close do you think this is to a checkfold?

krishanleong · #9 12-13-2005, 08:02 PM

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I'd bet river because I'm not confident villain will bet a Q or 9 on the river. If he does there's a good chance he'll bet fold. Also I don't think there's many draws he will have to bluff.

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He did fold. But I thought he would call with a Q or weak ace.

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Did you consider check/folding the turn? I know it sounds really weak and I probably would bet as well. However, most guys 3bet JK preflop so we can rule that out I think. TK gets 3bet a lot too so that should be discounted. I think very few TAGs in that game can resist raising the flop with an OESD or flush draw. If they don't it is probably b/c they are raising the turn where you will be bet/folding I assume.

So basically you're hoping villain has a gutshot draw but these raise the flop sometimes. The Q9 flop means there are a lot of these though: 8T, TK (discounted), 8J. I think this guy has a Q or a better nine a LOT here.

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I think you are right. He will have a Q or 9 here a lot but I didn't think this guy was going to punish me with a raise. After all it's an ace high flop and the wussball mentality around here is to get to showdown at all costs. Plus just calling straight down isn't a horrible line/prevents bad folds etc...

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I would probably bet the turn as well and check/folding might be pretty exploitable, but how close do you think this is to a checkfold?

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It's close. I don't mind a turn check fold. I tend to screwplay quite a bit (and on my coaches request, I'm trying to increase) so this turn will go check raise at least as often as it will go check fold.

Krishan

Victor · #10 12-13-2005, 07:57 PM

i would bet bc he will call you with any q or 9 and he wont bet those. hell, he might not even bet an ace.