AQ missed on the flop

Larimani · #1 08-05-2005, 10:31 AM

Very early on level 1... First time I'm in a pot. No reads.

Comment on pre-flop, flop & turn appriciated.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

MP2 (t1130)
MP3 (t760)
CO (t755)
Button (t595)
Hero (t790)
BB (t180)
UTG (t915)
UTG+1 (t1555)
MP1 (t1320)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 raises to t30, MP2 calls t30, 3 folds, Hero raises to t142.5, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t120.

Flop: (t337.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t325, MP2 calls t325.

Turn: (t987.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero all-in, MP2 calls t315.

River: (t1302.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t1302.50

schwza · #2 08-05-2005, 11:10 AM

- i hate the reraise pre-flop.
- you could do a lot of things on the flop, none of which are very appealing. i dislike a c/r a-i the least. what was your plan if villain pushed? you have ~350 left in a big pot, so i think you'd have to call.
- i think the turn push is good.

tigerite · #3 08-05-2005, 11:14 AM

Agree with all the above. AQ is not a re-raising hand!

Larimani · #4 08-05-2005, 11:27 AM

ok. Agreed.

Just for the sake of argument, what do you do on the turn considering the course of action taken on pre-flop & flop?

tigerite · #5 08-05-2005, 11:37 AM

Flop. No need to over-bet it like this. Bet 2/3rds of the pot, around 200. Turn. There's no need to bet out here, you're only called by hands that beat you (i.e. a set, or any 3) unless he's a donk, in which case he may call with a weaker ace, but it's unlikely he'd have been around after the flop with that. So I check, then re-assess.

Larimani · #6 08-05-2005, 11:39 AM

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Flop. No need to over-bet it like this. Bet 2/3rds of the pot, around 200. Turn. There's no need to bet out here, you're only called by hands that beat you (i.e. a set, or any 3) unless he's a donk, in which case he may call with a weaker ace, but it's unlikely he'd have been around after the flop with that. So I check, then re-assess.

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Thank you. This makes complete sense. I am commited if he goes all-in though?

tigerite · #7 08-05-2005, 11:40 AM

If you take that line, no, because you've bet less on the flop. Thus you can still get away from it. Barely.

schwza · #8 08-05-2005, 12:09 PM

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If you take that line, no, because you've bet less on the flop. Thus you can still get away from it. Barely.

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you have 650 in a 300 pot. you bet 200 and he pushes. it's now 700 in the pot and you need to call 450. do you really want to be in that spot? pot odds-wise, you need to win the pot ~28%, and against most hands villain will have here (77-JJ), you're ~40%. against QQ/KK (which usually reraise pre-flop), you're ~28%. AK/66/55/AA are the only hands that have you in bad shape, and AA/AK often reraise pre-flop.

if you fold against AJ/KQ type hands even occasionally, it's a disaster.

that's why i like a c/r a-i on the flop. if you get called by 88, so be it. you have 10 outs. a c/r gets some chips against hands like AJ (who may even call the c/r) and let you avoid getting pushed off of the best hand.

Larimani · #9 08-05-2005, 12:11 PM

thanks.