IS this weak?

balkii · #1 10-24-2005, 12:33 AM

PP 5/10 6handed

Loosey limps UTG, unknown overlimps, I raise 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] OTB, blinds fold, limpers call.

Flop A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

two checks, I bet, both call

turn 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

two checks, I bet, both call

river Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG leads, MP calls, I call ?

jba · #2 10-24-2005, 12:39 AM

i would definitely raise this without some terrific read on UTG that you dont think he would be playing some two pair or ust being weird, there is definitely value in raising here.

helpmeout · #3 10-24-2005, 12:49 AM

this is pretty bad, if it was Qs then fair enough but he will have made 2 pair most times

#4 10-24-2005, 01:16 AM

If JT made it that far without a flush draw, you lose this pot, but win the table.

They likely have 2 pair, I say raise.

imported_leader · #5 10-24-2005, 01:23 AM

In a word, yes. The only have that bets you that there’s much chance of him having is JT. There's no way he has that >=45% of the time. I doubt he even has that 20% of the time. Plus you've got MP dead money in there. So raise.

balkii · #6 10-24-2005, 01:42 AM

sweet. I lied. I raised this river, got 3-bet and shown JT. just a checkup.

Victor · #7 10-24-2005, 01:46 AM

with a bit of a read that your opponent is passive i like it.

with no read and another player calling in between i prefer a raise since you show more profit when good.

by not raising you dont lose much here.

ALL1N · #8 10-24-2005, 05:39 AM

To all of those who said raise here, which exactly 2 pair hands do you put UTG on?

Drontier · #9 10-24-2005, 05:44 AM

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with a bit of a read that your opponent is passive i like it.

with no read and another player calling in between i prefer a raise since you show more profit when good.

by not raising you dont lose much here.

[/ QUOTE ]!?!? i dont think this is close. btw who said anything about 2 pair? Why can't he be purely bluffing with a missed draw or is doing the ck/call ck/call donk line with top pair aces? I don't think this is close at all. You beat so many two pair combinations with the Q, and you lose to one combination(JT) no other hand makes sense. Plus you have the overlay of the third player.

ArturiusX · #10 10-24-2005, 05:44 AM

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To all of those who said raise here, which exactly 2 pair hands do you put UTG on?

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Thank god, I felt like I was the only one who thougt the same.