Is this why I still play 10/20?

Nietzsche · #1 12-19-2005, 01:01 PM

UTG is 40/15/2. I've only been at the table for an orbit and we are unknown to each other.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

I raised thinking I could fold to a 3-bet then started second guessing myself. Is this a lower heart/complete bluff/overplayed set often enough?

Is it better to just call to avoid this situation? Or is it all about discipline?

geormiet · #2 12-19-2005, 01:10 PM

It's so ugly, but I don't really see another way to play it (unless you fold to the river 3 bet, and I don't against an unknown getting 13:1 or what have you)

#3 12-20-2005, 11:43 AM

Why not raise his bet on the flop? He may fold if he's a mad LAG capping with TT, 99 preflop.

He may reraise with AK, KK or AA, in which case you know you are almost certainly beat. If he calls you, you know he has at least QQ. When the Q came on the turn you have even better reason to think you are beat and you could have folded.

But assuming you happened to call his bet on the turn and hit your flush on the river your raise is correct because he can't have a flush with Q set, K set, and AK (non heart), AA (non heart ace) and you're getting odds and those hands might payoff.

However once he re-raises you again on the river, there's no other hand he can have other than the nut flush. Even a very LAGgy LAG would not do it with 4 hearts on the board if they had a set. So I would say 13:1 would not be odds to call.

I think the flop-raise line would have saved you at least 1 BB. I don't think it's it's a discipline issue. I think about understanding the play, getting information on the opponents hand range cheaply, fitting it to the flop texture and looking at the odds.

Wynton · #4 12-20-2005, 11:48 AM

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Why not raise his bet on the flop? He may fold if he's a mad LAG capping with TT, 99 preflop.

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We don't want him to fold TT or 99.

#5 12-20-2005, 12:26 PM

I think its worth doing that to save bets later on. I personally think the downside is far greater if he has a hand, than what you could gain from TT staying around and letting him go to showdown.

Kharnage · #6 12-19-2005, 02:00 PM

Raise/folding with second-nuts against an unknown getting 13:1 really isnt a good idea. I would just call this on every street, but I suck.

Victor · #7 12-19-2005, 02:05 PM

i think you played it fine.

Lmn55d · #8 12-19-2005, 02:12 PM

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i think you played it fine.

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wackjob · #9 12-19-2005, 02:21 PM

I probably wouldn't raise the river. I think calling is fine here.

wheelz · #10 12-19-2005, 02:25 PM

weak wackjob, weak.