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Old 11-16-2005, 01:44 PM
Danenania Danenania is offline
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Default Re: Tricky Hand for HUSH Final Days

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As for the river, betting is very bad. He's going to bet any hand he would have called with, and he's going to raise you lots too. Your bet has no value, which further underscores folding the turn.

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This is a ridiculous statement. Of course betting has value. Button is calling with QQ-AA, AJ, AT, JT, KJ, etc. And SB is likely to call with lots of hands too. Check/calling or checkraising may have more value but there are definite merits to betting.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:51 PM
Chobohoya Chobohoya is offline
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As for the river, betting is very bad. He's going to bet any hand he would have called with, and he's going to raise you lots too. Your bet has no value, which further underscores folding the turn.

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This is a ridiculous statement. Of course betting has value. Button is calling with QQ-AA, AJ, AT, JT, KJ, etc. And SB is likely to call with lots of hands too. Check/calling or checkraising may have more value but there are definite merits to betting.

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I disagree your first and last sentences. This because I believe button is going to fire again with many of the hands you listed as his calling hands. If you think that is inaccurate, then fine, but explain why.
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:00 PM
Danenania Danenania is offline
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Default Re: Tricky Hand for HUSH Final Days

See my response to Jeff W above. I agree with you that it's not clear what the best way to extract value is on the river. I was only pointing out your mistake in saying that betting has NO value, when it clearly does have some (though it might have comparatively less than other options).
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:10 PM
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See my response to Jeff W above. I agree with you that it's not clear what the best way to extract value is on the river. I was only pointing out your mistake in saying that betting has NO value, when it clearly does have some (though it might have comparatively less than other options).

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Yeah that was dumb of me.

Can this guy make the same sort of laydown you did? If so, why not check and overcall the SB or raise if SB folds. Obviously fold to a C/R from SB or 3bet from button.
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