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That's a good point Bobby...I agree that MHSH and SSSH should be specific to limit hold'em, and it sounds like a good idea to have HU3(HUT? whatever) be for limit, NL, and tourneys since there are common situations and principles.

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[citanul]

i think that splitting hush into low and high is better than splitting it into 3 forums. i think that the name "Heads up and short handed" pretty much implies that heads up is supposed to be in those, and i think that the ghost town effect is fairly likely in the third forum.

i think that an "events and official blah tournament/etc forum" would be a great idea, though it could get messy without very active moderation. if there were a way to implement a calendar into the forums that would be fantastic too, for both events forum and for places like the mtt forum, and the stt forum. an interesting question would be what to do with stuff like sweat threads, which could go here, or in an entirely different forum... i think that a lot of people like the sweat threads, but with so many good players playing the mtts, and so many mtts running all the time, it can get crazy. i know that the mtt guys have done a great job of having far fewer "official" and "sweat me" threads in that forum, but i think at the same time tons of people think it's a) fun and b) a great way to meet people and socialize.

i think that having a "bad beats, whining, how i'm running, stat brag, etc" forum would be great too. this is one of the most popular forums on several of the other poker boards that feature piles of new players, and i think they'd take to it well. i think that people with legit stat questions, or the occasional stupid post would still wind up in a strat forum, but for the most part we could dump all such garbage in a communal area and be done with it. if nothing else, it would be a place where we could move threads to stop them from being clutter AND not making anyone feel like a jackass.

wrt the split of mid/high to mid and high, i dunno, is there really either enough traffic for that or enough problems to warrant that? i think that most of hte posters are going to be the same people, and that the high limit forum just wouldn't get enough traffic.

dan

[bobbyi]

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wrt the split of mid/high to mid and high, i dunno, is there really either enough traffic for that or enough problems to warrant that?

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I think you are misunderstanding the goal here (or at least what I think the goal should be). I don't see want to see mid/high turn into two forums. I want to see (small + mid/high) collectively turn into three forums rather than the current two. The new "high" forum would be similar to today's mid/high forum. The new "mid" forum would include both the top end of the current small stakes forum and the low end of the current mid/high forum. 15/30 and 20/40 games are very popular and important and currently have no real home. Some people, like jason_t, are posting those hands in small stakes. If I have a live 20/40 hand, that's where I post it as well, but having 20/40 hands alongside 2/4 hands is not good. Other people post those hands in mid/high, but that isn't good either as they mostly get neglected there because everyone is interested in bigger games. I think it would make much more sense to have small stakes be mainly for 2/4 through 5/10 (also live 6/12 - 9/18 games) since these games are fairly similar and then have a mid stakes forum for roughly 10/20 - 20/40 (plus live 10/20 - 40/80) games, and then have a high stakes forum where people can keep posting online 30/60 hands, live 80/160 hands and so forth. These seem to be the natural communities we have now anyone and it would be good if each had its own forum. The exact boundaries between the forums are debatable (should live 10/20 be in small stakes), and I think in general it's better to have rough guidelines and let people post where they feel is appropriate.

In the TStone letter thread in NVG, you'll see longtime respected posters like Rick Nebiolo (I think; going from memory here) saying they don't post hands in mid/high anymore because their lower mid-limit hands aren't really well received alongside the usual 50/100 hands. I feel the same way and haven't been posting there as much.

[astroglide]

consider what a difference simply separating internet and casino games would do. each side would have a welcome and defined culture instead of the veteran/whipper-snapper back and forth that is now standard in midhigh.

[bobbyi]

I don't think it would work well because there are so many more online poker posted than live poker hands. The live forum would be a ghost town and the interent forum would be the same as today's mid/high except that when someone has an interesting live hand they would be told "don't post that here". People like having a "home" forum. Those of us who play middle stakes both live and online would feel comfortable in a mid-stakes forum. Most people who post live hands also play online, so they would rather just post both hands in their "regular" forum with the same community. You would still have online 15/30 hands hands going in small stakes alongside online 2/4 hands.

[durron597]

I know a lot of the announcement and events stuff on the tournament forums are mostly because the members of that forum want to do things with other members of their forum. The only exceptions to this that are cross-forum are KotZ (which only recently spread to appeal directly to MTT readers) and the "Forum games" which were until recently run by DrPhysic (now run by hyde). So I wouldn't want to see the "Official 11r 45k guar thread"s moved to a new forum, nor would I want the stuff for the STTF gatherings.

FWIW, I think that HUSH should become MHSH and SSSH without HUT, but you can ignore my opinion because I don't read that forum [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Honestly I think too many forums is a bad thing and a split should only occur if it's badly needed. Which is why I'm not in favor of splitting STT. Obviously those who know HUSH best say they need it, so I'm inclined to agree [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[astroglide]

i would be concerned about a 'vent, rant, and rave' forum usurping some of the proper content from OOT. 'running bad' or something to that effect would be good, i think, if it's supposed to be for bad beat/bad streak posts. it's just the name that concerns me.

[B Dids]

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i would be concerned about a 'vent, rant, and rave' forum usurping some of the proper content from OOT. 'running bad' or something to that effect would be good, i think, if it's supposed to be for bad beat/bad streak posts. it's just the name that concerns me.

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I feel like this is basically what general is for.

I think adding another "vent" forum is just a moderating nightmare.

I think the strat forums are pretty good about dealing with LC posts, I'm not sure we need to build a solution to something that isn't really a problem.

[FeliciaLee]

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I think adding another "vent" forum is just a moderating nightmare.

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Ditto

[Surfbullet]

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I feel like this is basically what general is for.

I think adding another "vent" forum is just a moderating nightmare.

I think the strat forums are pretty good about dealing with LC posts, I'm not sure we need to build a solution to something that isn't really a problem.

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I deal with 1-4 bad beat / lc / I run g00t/bad posts a day, more sometimes. It's really tough to keep them all in line without stepping on any toes, especially when there's no place for them to go. If we decide that that's what general is for i'll start moving them there and put it in the FAQ, but I didn't want to pollute that board with the detritus of another board.

It's a problem because clearly people want to post them - but most regulars in HUSH don't want to read them. The regulars get mad if they are left to clutter the front page, and the bad beat posters get mad if you lock their threads...giving them an avenue for expression is much needed IMO, because it's a pain in the ass right now.

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