and in this corner.....weighing 265 pounds..Folding Equity!!!!!

[M.B.E.]

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one third of the time you hit, and then you're getting the whole SB stack as well as a lot of chips from the donks

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Sure, if you hit the straight. But if nobody raises on the flop, and then a club comes on the turn, I wouldn't be too certain of getting all the SB's chips if all he has is TPWK.

[A_PLUS]

Here is a little more color on the players in the hand, and the payouts.

SB - pretty good, thinking player. If he sees the turn with an Ace, he is pushing. There is a chance he will fold to a reraise here with AX, (X<T)

2 guys behind. Both bad, neither really looks beyond their own cards, but both on the passive side. It will take a real hand for these guys to raise AQ+, 2P, sets. Im not sure they would know how strong TP + nut flush draw was in this spot.
I think any Ace calls our raise, but mid-PPs, a lot of jacks, and hands like K9, call the 100 only.

There was 18 players, payout was something like 50%, 25%, 15%, 10%. So very top heavy.

[schwza]

the fact that the later guys will call a raise with Ax and that SB may fold a bad Ax makes raising more appealing. you have a chance to steal the pot outright, and you're less likely to lose the idiots, who are really the people i want to play against.

also, mbe is right that if you flat call a club hits the SB might get away.

[Tilt]

I concur with many others that a call is in order. Even a small raise introduces the possibility that the SB might push over your raise, so they will be reluctant to call. I want their money in on the flop.

If the flop is just called around to a blank, the SB will probably push. I would just call then, also. You will probably get a caller then, too, and a cheap river card with a huge pot to play for. There is no point in doing a shutout raise for the dry sidepot.

[A_PLUS]

The flop isnt getting called around as often as you seem to think. There is an Ace on the board, it is far from a given that a player without an Ace will call off 10% of his stack, being almost certain someone else has one.

One averagge, we can assume generously that we get one caller, when we just call.

so, pot will be 400 on the turn. SB has 550 behind.
If SB pushes, you can't make this call hoping for a call from the player behind you. The river card isnt exactly cheap when they are putting in either 1/2 or 1/3 of their remaining stack to call, and know they are up against at least one real hand after our overcall.

If we just call, we have to agree to give up on the turn, if he pushes.