5.5 + R

Melchiades · #1 10-17-2005, 02:20 PM

How is my line here? I felt horrible about my play here, but am not sure what would have been correct. I felt villains 800 bet was weak and thought I could take the pot away from him. How was my bet on the turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) converter

SB (t21405)
BB (t18260)
Hero (t29925)
UTG+1 (t4850)
MP1 (t5840)
MP2 (t23275)
MP3 (t12970)
CO (t18900)
Button (t9995)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t600, UTG+1 calls t600, 3 folds, CO calls t600, 3 folds.

Flop: (t2000) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets t800, Hero raises to t2000, UTG+1 folds, CO calls t1200.

Turn: (t6000) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets 3400, CO Raises to 7000, Hero folds

pooh74 · #2 10-17-2005, 02:34 PM

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How is my line here? I felt horrible about my play here, but am not sure what would have been correct. I felt villains 800 bet was weak and thought I could take the pot away from him. How was my bet on the turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) converter

SB (t21405)
BB (t18260)
Hero (t29925)
UTG+1 (t4850)
MP1 (t5840)
MP2 (t23275)
MP3 (t12970)
CO (t18900)
Button (t9995)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t600, UTG+1 calls t600, 3 folds, CO calls t600, 3 folds.

Flop: (t2000) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets t800, Hero raises to t2000, UTG+1 folds, CO calls t1200.

Turn: (t6000) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets 3400, CO Raises to 7000, Hero folds

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I would raise that flop more often when there is a potential draw on board as well...then they might think that I am actually trying to protect my hand. His bet looked weak, but your raise looked even weaker perhaps. I am probably done with this hand after he cold calls my raise. If you're ahead here, more power to villain...its not worth finding out. (I would slowdown on the turn)

benneh · #3 10-17-2005, 02:58 PM

i probably wouldn't raise. a 9 probably isn't going to call it, and you're just making the pot bigger than it needs to be. but by not raising, you're leaving yourself in a weird position if you just call, cause check/call and check/call leaves the doors to wide open to villain to just put in a huge bet that we can't call on the river.

I think i prefer the call flop, lead turn and fold to a raise here. we probably get the same information and we save some chips if our hand is no good.

tdomeski · #4 10-17-2005, 03:06 PM

Would you really check raise a King there?

There are many lines you can take, but I think the flop c/r is the worst of those options. You can lead flop (as I don't see you getting raised by any real hand), lead turn fold to raise; call flop, lead turn; call flop, call turn, block river; etc.

It's just kind of silly to make a big pot with a very showdownable hand out of position when you are either way ahead or way behind.

pooh74 · #5 10-17-2005, 03:07 PM

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i probably wouldn't raise. a 9 probably isn't going to call it, and you're just making the pot bigger than it needs to be. but by not raising, you're leaving yourself in a weird position if you just call, cause check/call and check/call leaves the doors to wide open to villain to just put in a huge bet that we can't call on the river.

I think i prefer the call flop, lead turn and fold to a raise here. we probably get the same information and we save some chips if our hand is no good.

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I like that...U do save a ton of chips over what our Hero lost here, and the info is probably similar if not better (by better I mean it became a muscle match right off the top here so it is at least plausible that hero is ahead...not likely. I feel like more "real" info can be gleaned from the turn action on this type of flop)

Melchiades · #6 10-17-2005, 03:19 PM

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Would you really check raise a King there?

There are many lines you can take, but I think the flop c/r is the worst of those options. You can lead flop (as I don't see you getting raised by any real hand), lead turn fold to raise; call flop, lead turn; call flop, call turn, block river; etc.

It's just kind of silly to make a big pot with a very showdownable hand out of position when you are either way ahead or way behind.

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Good point. I wasn't really planning a check raise, I just felt villain was taking a stab at it and I could take it down without too much trouble. I was wrong obviously.

I think I like the check/call flop, and lead the turn.

Jah Red · #7 10-17-2005, 03:37 PM

In this position I probably fold to the bet BUT...

lets say I want to change that and take the call flop/lead turn line...what would be the size of the bet I make on the turn and do I then fold to any raise or one of a specific size.

benneh · #8 10-17-2005, 03:50 PM

i'd bet around 2500. most raises i'd probably muck to, although maybe not to a min. raise because the odds are so juicy. would really depend on my read of the situation in the moment.

but you just plain fold to his small bet on the flop? His bet is almostmandatory after 2 people check in front of him. CO's range is huge and he could just initially be taking a stab at the pot with a pair of 8s if he suspects both guys whiffed on this board. He could also have nothing but air. I can't automatically give the cutoff credit for a king or higher pair because he bet less than half the pot after 2 people checked in front of him

Jah Red · #9 10-17-2005, 04:33 PM

Yeah, very weak, but I've got alot of chips, do I really want to be getting involved here?

#10 10-17-2005, 04:36 PM

What does the 'R' in these Poker Stars tournies mean (5.5 + R)?