I decided to throw some chips away

imported_piki · #1 06-04-2005, 09:38 AM

But I'd like to hear your opinion anyway.

It is obvious from play that I gave little respect for CO's 3bet and I wasn't worried about BB's holdings - probably a gutshot. Both players have VP$IP > 50 and low aggression.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP calls, CO 3-bets, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP folds, CO calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, CO calls.

River: (12.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

River play is probably check/call, because the other play is bet/fold and folding my hand with 15-1 is not an option.

-pix

MoDOH · #2 06-04-2005, 10:29 AM

I would just call the flop. Why would you raise here? since they have low aggression he most certainly has a better hand than yours since his threebet is pretty aggressive...
And even if you can move CO off a big ace postflop by raising this flop and betting the turn, you still have two more opponents who probably hit this flop in some way. And since a VPIP of 50+ is indicative of a calling station he won´t fold a better hand than yours on the flop and will call with a gutshot also... Just call the flop instead and try to outdraw them instead...

And if you called the flop I would check-fold the turn...

And what makes you think that Checking the river is the right play here? bet and if he is passive fold to a raise and think nothing of it... you will get called by any AK and JJ on the river here to make this a clear valuebet...

imported_piki · #3 06-04-2005, 11:50 AM

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I would just call the flop. Why would you raise here? since they have low aggression he most certainly has a better hand than yours since his threebet is pretty aggressive...
And even if you can move CO off a big ace postflop by raising this flop and betting the turn, you still have two more opponents who probably hit this flop in some way. And since a VPIP of 50+ is indicative of a calling station he won´t fold a better hand than yours on the flop and will call with a gutshot also... Just call the flop instead and try to outdraw them instead...

And if you called the flop I would check-fold the turn...

And what makes you think that Checking the river is the right play here? bet and if he is passive fold to a raise and think nothing of it... you will get called by any AK and JJ on the river here to make this a clear valuebet...

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Agreed on the standard line.

The motive for my play was that I thought CO's 3-bet wasn't really legit. He already had a limper before him, so if he had AA, he already had a customer. A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something like that is what I usually see in such cases.

Thus I don't really want to fold the river. I'd fold to a turn raise, it would be very natural and profitable for AA in that spot, but there was no raise. I just got saved if CO really had rags and paired an 8 or ten.

-pix

StellarWind · #4 06-04-2005, 12:37 PM

Your opponent's backraise does not improve your bad position or give this weak hand special powers.

Checkcall the flop. Checkfold the turn unimproved.

stripsqueez · #5 06-04-2005, 10:17 PM

its obviously dodgy to try and steal from a pre-flop 3 bettor in a 3 way pot - if you were going to try that then perhaps you should cap pre-flop

i think betting the river is auto and i would call the raise

stripsqueez - chickenhawk