Party $500K hand

[adanthar]

that's really funny given that you've never posted an opinion about a hand that any serious poster in any forum has liked

[TomHimself]

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Dude, Let's deal.. I'll give you an ounce of my poker talent for an ounce of your killer grammar skills.

[/ QUOTE ]ur such a troll

[sekrah]

Thanks Man!

[sekrah]

Thanks man!

[ZootMurph]

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Hello All,

A friend played this hand and disagrees with what I had to say about it, so asked me to post it here.

2nd hour

BB= 200

Hero=2800 in LP
Villian= 4200 in BB

Folded to Hero with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], raises to 500 to go

Folded to BB, flat calls

Flop (1100) comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero lead 800 at the pot, Villain flat calls

Turn (2700) : 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero has 1500 left.
What should Hero do and why?

Regards,
Woodguy

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So the flat call on a single suited flop doesn't scare anyone here? The way I look at it may be a bit different. I think that flat flop call gives you a lot of information, and in pushing the turn you are either not listening to the information given or are just ignoring it. At BEST, he has something like KQ with no hearts... not very likely, in my opinion. Not putting him on an overcard heart at the very least is a mistake. OK, I would NOT put him on a made flush, but it is more likely than the KQ non-heart hand. So, on the turn, if you push he's getting about 3:1 on a call. If he has something like K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] then he has plenty of odds to call. Personally, I check the turn or make a small blocking bet, depending on what I know of the player. If he pushes, I call, but don't like it. Again, the odds would be 4200:1500 or almost 3:1. With an overcard heart and no pair he'd consider himself to have 12 outs, giving him odds to call the allin. Pushing the turn gives good odds to call to any hand you don't want calling, so I don't like it. I'm hoping to see the river cheap and I'm willing to put all my chips in on the river if it isn't a King or heart. On a King or heart, I probably show how weak I am and check/fold. Anything else, I lose all my chips to the made flush.

In any case, if there is one thing I learned on these boards is to put yourself in your opponent's shoes... So, as the villain, if you have a made flush on that flop, and are bet into, how are you planning on playing it? I'd like to believe that most of us aren't going to push it all in there and possibly scare out a Queen. We'll release some more rope for the Hero to hang himself. My question to all who are saying to push the turn: What are you putting him on after the flop call, and what are you hoping to get out of the turn push? The goal is to get opponents to make mistakes. A made flush would make a mistake checking behind or flat calling a small blocking bet. A K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] can only make a mistake by folding here. Would you fold to this bet with this hand?

[PancakeBoy]

bah someone beat me to it

[woodguy]

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Dude, Let's deal.. I'll give you an ounce of my poker talent for an ounce of your killer grammar skills.

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Is this the same poker skill that allows you to dominate the $0.01/$0.02 08 tables at UB as you crow about here.

I particularly like this line:

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UB usually has 4-5 tables going of .01/.02 and they are incredibly weak..


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I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I couldn't resist.

Ok, back to ignore you go.....

And yes, I consider the 4 mintues I spent digging that up well worth it.

Regards,
Woodguy

[woodguy]

I still think the pot size and his possible range dictate a turn push.

I'm not sure I can put him on a made flush (unless its the nut) with a flat call, but I'm thinking that K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Qx checkraises this flop.......mind you he doesn't have a the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and may want to see a blank come off the turn before commiting the rest of his chips.

Regards,
Woodguy

[RedRum]

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You are now ignoring this user. You will no longer see the body of any of their posts

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Unless some fool quotes the ignored user and uses it in his post. I've had sekrah on ignore since the first post of his I read, but people insist on quoting his retardedness. I don't get it.

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Drink More,
RedRum

[schwza]

ok.... now can you dedicate 4 minutes on the push vs. bet issue on the flop? [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]