standard?

[amoeba]

hero has about 150xBB stack, villain has around 100xBB stack.

Hero raises to 4xBB preflop with 86 clubs from the CO, villain calls from the BB.

flop : T 8 3 rainbow

villain checks, hero bets 3/4 pot (standard continuation or overpair bet), villain calls.

turn : T 8 8 3.
villain checks, hero bets 1/2 pot, villain calls.

at this villain has 65 to 70 BB left.

river: T 8 8 6 3.

villain bets 1/3 pot, hero pot raise with third FH, villain pushes, hero calls.

[Zag]

I don't argue with any of it, though with a really strong read hero might have made a huge laydown on the end, but it seems that he was pot-committed by then. (Entering the river, the pot was 40 BB's, so villian bet around 15, so hero raised to about 85. Villain couldn't have had much left to push with.)

Anyway, I assume villain had TT or T8, or you wouldn't have posted. Just realize that a you SHOULD lose about 100 BB's with a losing full house, and you won't feel so bad. If you don't lose that much, it means you aren't getting enough value out of your winning full houses.

[xorbie]

His line seems a lot like TT to me, but I think you see 79 here enough to easily find a call, because your hand is just so disguised.

[amoeba]

villain did have TT. at the end I figure 79 was strong enough possibility. He didn't have that much left after the reraise.

my question is not whether I could have gotten away but rather how would you have played it had the river not filled you up? Also, is this the best way to extract from JJ/QQ/AT ?

[xorbie]

Even if I don't fill up, it's tough to play this hand any other way. Checking behind on the turn just seems to leave way too much money on the table.

[amoeba]

I figured if I bet full pot on the turn, it'll represent big overpair a bit too much and fold out T or JJ/QQ. and that a 1/2 pot bet makes it look like missed overs still remaining aggressive. I also wanted some protection for missed overs later on.

am I correct in this thinking?

[xorbie]

Well, I personally would probably bet 1/2 pot here with an overpair, AT, JT, J9, etc, so yeah this is fine. And I like the idea about protection for missed overs later. I find that if you can make your second barrel cheap, when you do fire it out with missed AK you can generally get a fold from mid PP.

[TheWorstPlayer]

standard?
Yes. Except preflop, of course, but whatever.

[amoeba]

well it was folded to me in the CO.

I much prefer to do this preflop from the CO than the button. Its just too obvious from the button.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Dude, I didn't say it was bad, I just said it wasn't "standard". "Standard" is to fold that crap. But raising it is fine (and I would raise it) (when I'm not planning on later representing JT on the river - in that case I would min-raise it preflop).