Would you push here?

[ChipWarrior]

Relatively new player who is trying to improve bubble play.
Zonker has been raising preflop almost very hand.
I'm thinking this is a no-brainer push... Anyone disagree?


Party Poker 10 + 1
Table Table 11513 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: storden (1070)
Seat 6: zonker8 (2940)
Seat 7: giants52 (2265)
Seat 10: HERO (1725)
Hero posts small blind (100)
storden posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 9h, 9s ]
zonker8 raises (400) to 400
giants52 folds.
HERO raises (1625) to 1725
HERO is all-In.
storden folds.
zonker8 calls (1325)
Creating Main Pot with $3650 with Hero
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ks, Ac, Kc ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3650 |
Board: [ Ks Ac Kc 2d 4h ]
storden balance 870, lost 200 (folded)
zonker8 balance 4865, bet 1725, collected 3650, net +1925 [ Qd Ah ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ah,Ac,Ks,Kc,Qd ]
giants52 balance 2265, didn't bet (folded)
HERO balance 0, lost 1725 [ 9h 9s ] [ two pairs, kings and nines -- Ac,Ks,Kc,9h,9s ]

[Scuba Chuck]

Good question. What are the factors that make you think this might not be a good push?

[jcm4ccc]

yes, that is a no-brainer push.

If you are asking about pushing a pair of 9s when it is 4-handed, my guess is that you are folding a bunch of hands that you could be pushing.

[sofere]

I think its pretty read dependent. If raiser has been minraising everyhand, go ahead and fight back (but only if you think he's capable of folding 2 broadways). I think in most cases though, this is a fold and wait for an opportunity to open push.

[ChipWarrior]

Factors against

1.Zonkers has shown strength and even though he is raising frequently he is not a maniac.

2.I'm not under any immediate pressure from the blinds.

3. Storden is a bit short stacked and if I just want to make the money I could try an wait him out.

Factors in favor
1. Poor position negated by pushing. If i just call and miss the flop I'm out of postion and most likely against overcards on the board. I would expect him to keep the pressure on.
2. I thought it reasonably likely that he would fold and even if he doesn't i think a 55-45 coinflip in my favor is probable.
3. If i double up I'm in excellent position to win.

[ChipWarrior]

jcm4cc, I think i definitely was a month or so ago but have become much more aggressive recently. I used to live in terror of going out on the bubble which was basically a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
Factors against

1.Zonkers has shown strength and even though he is raising frequently he is not a maniac.

2.I'm not under any immediate pressure from the blinds.

3. Storden is a bit short stacked and if I just want to make the money I could try an wait him out.

Factors in favor
1. Poor position negated by pushing. If i just call and miss the flop I'm out of postion and most likely against overcards on the board. I would expect him to keep the pressure on.
2. I thought it reasonably likely that he would fold and even if he doesn't i think a 55-45 coinflip in my favor is probable.
3. If i double up I'm in excellent position to win.

[/ QUOTE ]

ChipWarrior, you have excellently summed up all the factors correctly. Why are you asking this question? You are acutely aware of the risks involved.

Do you know how to do ICM analysis? This would be a good hand to do this on.

[Scuba Chuck]

FWIW, IMO, there are a lot of benefits to playing weak tight, in this situation.

Do not read the above statement to mean that I would fold this hand though.

[Daliman]

Unless the initial raiser was pushing tons, I would fold this with few reservations. You are getting called 90% of the time, and are almost always going to be racing at best. The BB may have to call here also if you fold, as he will have only 870 left after this hand.

Not that tough a fold at all.

[rickofcampbell]

Against a player who has been raising almost every hand this is any easy move all in play. No regrets.

You are only slightly ahead of the small stack, plus you are looking to move up to first or second. 99 could well be the best hand you get in the next 20 minutes.