How weak of a fold is this?

TheJackal · #1 01-14-2005, 10:46 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) converter

SB (t9755)
BB (t9398)
UTG (t8630)
UTG+1 (t21860)
Hero (t16555)
MP2 (t16879)
MP3 (t6065)
CO (t8875)
Button (t14235)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t300, Hero raises to t750, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls t750, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t450.

Flop: (t2475) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t750, Hero raises to t2000, CO raises to t8125, UTG+1 calls t7375, Hero folds.

Turn: (t20725) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t20725) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t20725

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has 4c Kc (flush, king high).
CO has 9d 9h (one pair, nines).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t20725. 

WTF can I do, his call is pretty bad IMHO. I know if I move in he is going to call. The only good thing I can take away is that I had them both pegged for what they had. I thought the all-in was like JJ, and I thought UTG +1 had a flush draw. With all the money in the pot, it was a god awful fold, but I didn't want to lose all my chips on a coinflip. I hate his call here, he is risking why too much on a flush draw, had he folded, it's an insta-call for me. I also think I needed to bet more on the flop and preflop...

TheJackal · #2 01-14-2005, 12:01 PM

Hellmuth would be proud, I threw away the best hand and knew it...

thorin · #3 01-14-2005, 12:40 PM

Well i don't blaime you for folding that hand, if i was you i would've put CO on AA/KK

zaxx19 · #4 01-14-2005, 01:06 PM

Not necessarily so bc they had REALLY deep stacks at that moment event compared tot he raise he didnt commit even 9% of his stack...there are some who will play 22 like this, provided they believe the original raiser wont reraise...which of course is a huge assumption but the implied odds 3 ways with postion deep stacks all are HUGE. I m not advocating playing 22 here just alerting you to the way some players think about pp.

TheJackal · #5 01-14-2005, 01:23 PM

I knew he didn't have a pair, he would have moved in himself with a set since there were 2 clubs on the board. I'd expect him to move in with AA and KK with the respective club (or without it). The right play was to move in, but I didn't want to go broke that hand. It was right after the 1st break, and both our stacks were deep. We are essentially playing a coinflip but with the money already in the pot, my fold was pretty bad. If I flat called on the flop and the club hits, I've committed too much to throw my hand away. If a king or ace hit I'd have a hard time laying down as well, but EV wise, the right thing to do was move in. I cost myself less than 20% of my stack, but I should have been willing to commit 100%...