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[z32fanatic]

The year after Seattle lost Arod, having lost 3 of the best players in the game the previous 3 years, they set the record for the most games won in a season. Its something about having a team with no superstars that promotes team goals over individual ones and leads to more victories. Also, I didn't say the Rangers were a top team, they just won many more games with Soriano (not a media star) than with Arod and practically the same team otherwise.
There are just QBs who seem to just win. Trent Dilfer and Krenzel come to mind. Did either one of them have incredible statistics? No, but both put together long winning streaks at their respective levels because they would find a way to win games however they had to.

[tolbiny]

"You will probably only find examples in Basketball, because it is really the only sport in which one player can carry a whole team"

I don't know how to do the whole accents thing- But
Pele. Damn that guy was sick.

As far as Farve- sometimes i look at some of his recievers (antonio freeman comes to mind) and wonder if they are even above average.
Javon walker is a stud though.

[thatpfunk]

Manning is, and always will be, a choke artist. Numbers don't mean a thing. He will not win a Super Bowl.

Scenario 1: Vick. Thats easy. You are building a team from the ground up. Every pick will be made afterwards to cater to his strengths.

Scenario 2: Tough, but Tomlinson seems to be a safe, reliable pick who will provide offense for a crap team until they can get other players.

[ThaSaltCracka]

your logic is flawed. The reason the M's and Rangers improved is because they had more money to spend on above average role players, especially the M's. The Mariners team of 2001 had plenty of egos,as well as plenty of really good individual players, even with A-Rod gone.

[Drac]

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The year after Seattle lost Arod, having lost 3 of the best players in the game the previous 3 years, they set the record for the most games won in a season. Its something about having a team with no superstars that promotes team goals over individual ones and leads to more victories. Also, I didn't say the Rangers were a top team, they just won many more games with Soriano (not a media star) than with Arod and practically the same team otherwise.
There are just QBs who seem to just win. Trent Dilfer and Krenzel come to mind. Did either one of them have incredible statistics? No, but both put together long winning streaks at their respective levels because they would find a way to win games however they had to.

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Seattle didn't win a World Series. Winning the title seems to be the requirement for the pro Brady crowd to be consideered a "winner". If Manning isn't a winner than regular season success means nothing. No title, no good. The Rangers had Blalock last year playing at a much higher level than before, Young had a career year, and their pitching was 10 times better than the previous years. The pitching was the reason they were so much better, not ARod leaving. How can you possibly use Krenzel as a positive example?

Manning sure choked on the road against KC in the playoffs last year, didn't he? Yep, he had a bad game against NE in the AFC championship. How the hell does that make him a choker? Was Dan Marino a choker?