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Old 10-13-2004, 01:32 PM
CCass CCass is offline
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Default Flopped top set

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I get KcKdQd5h and raise to $3. Only get 1 caller, who has me covered. (pot is $7.50)

Flop is Kh Jc 7c. I bet $3, and the other guy re-raises the pot amount (pot is ~$26. I re-raise the pot, he re-raises the pot again, which will put me all-in if I call.

I knew that I had the best hand at the time, and assumed he was on the flush draw, with maybe a straight draw as well.

This is an easy call, right? At best he has 15 outs? He has 1 out if he holds 77 or JJ to make quads, he has 8 outs if he has the flush draw, and he has 6 more outs if he has an OESD.

I am still learning this game, and want to make sure I am not missing anything.
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Old 10-13-2004, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: Flopped top set

AQT9 with 2 clubs has 13 straight outs and 8 flush outs against you, 7 on the turn.
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Old 10-13-2004, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: Flopped top set

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AQT9 with 2 clubs has 13 straight outs and 8 flush outs against you, 7 on the turn.

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I don't get 13 straight outs. What am I missing? 3 Aces, 2 Queens, 3 Tens, 3 Nines = 11 outs to the straight if he has AQT9.
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Old 10-13-2004, 04:15 PM
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Default Re: Flopped top set

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AQT9 with 2 clubs has 13 straight outs and 8 flush outs against you, 7 on the turn.

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I don't get 13 straight outs. What am I missing? 3 Aces, 2 Queens, 3 Tens, 3 Nines = 11 outs to the straight if he has AQT9.

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It's actually one non-club queen, and three 8s. You're missing the 8s.
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Old 10-13-2004, 04:37 PM
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Default Of Course....N/M

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Old 10-13-2004, 05:49 PM
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Default Re: Flopped top set

he may have the wrap as well as flush draw to have you sweating, but a lot of em go to teh felt with just one of those draws. Top set does me well when I just jam it on the flop. None of that nancy boy looking-at-the-turn-to-see-if-it's-safe stuff for me...no way jose.
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Old 10-14-2004, 02:29 AM
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Default Re: Flopped top set

Worse case you are not that much of an underdog.

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> pokenum -o kc kd qd 5h - ac qc th 9h -- kh jc 7c
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Jc 7c Kh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kc Kd Qd 5h 373 45.49 441 53.78 6 0.73 0.459
Ac Qc Th 9h 441 53.78 373 45.49 6 0.73 0.541</pre><hr />

If it was me, I push, because I've found I'm just as likely to be up against some thing like this:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>pokenum -o kc kd qd 5h - 6d qc td 3h -- kh jc 7c
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Jc 7c Kh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kc Kd Qd 5h 584 71.22 212 25.85 24 2.93 0.727
Qc Td 6d 3h 212 25.85 584 71.22 24 2.93 0.273 </pre><hr />

or this:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> pokenum -o kc kd qd 5h - ac qc 6d 3h -- kh jc 7c
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Jc 7c Kh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kc Kd Qd 5h 530 64.63 281 34.27 9 1.10 0.652
Ac Qc 6d 3h 281 34.27 530 64.63 9 1.10 0.348</pre><hr />
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