TPGK, good river value bet?

wmmathguy · #1 02-14-2005, 11:24 PM

I'm never very sure in hands like these, it seems like I get c/r on the river a lot. With top pair but a paired broadway on the board is this a bad place to value bet?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Dead · #2 02-14-2005, 11:26 PM

I think the converter screwed up. It said that you bet and then called your own bet.

Either way I like the river bet. You'll get weaker Aces to call here.

wmmathguy · #3 02-14-2005, 11:30 PM

One of the guys was all in on the flop, the converter didn't play well with that.

Dead · #4 02-14-2005, 11:34 PM

My guess is that Button has a high pocket pair: KK, QQ, or JJ, with KK or JJ being more likely for obvious reasons. I think he'd raise here if he had AK.

Nice hand.

gvibes · #5 02-15-2005, 12:57 AM

I don't see how you could play it much differently.

Does anyone like a check/raise on the flop? Personally, I think I would 80% of the time, but not on this board.

wabe · #6 02-15-2005, 01:36 AM

On the monochrome board? Hmm. I wouldn't have the cojones to do it. I don't think you would get a call behind you unless someone had an ace or a spade.

MarkGritter · #7 02-15-2005, 02:49 AM

I wouldn't C/R here. I don't know how confident you can be that one of the last two players will bet into you. And it looks like button is calling all-in, so you won't get the extra bet from him anyway.

wmmathguy · #8 02-15-2005, 10:08 AM

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I don't see how you could play it much differently.

Does anyone like a check/raise on the flop? Personally, I think I would 80% of the time, but not on this board.

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I almost never c/r, it's something I really need to work on. I would not c/r on this board unless I had a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

gvibes · #9 02-15-2005, 02:11 PM

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I wouldn't C/R here. I don't know how confident you can be that one of the last two players will bet into you. And it looks like button is calling all-in, so you won't get the extra bet from him anyway.

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You wouldn't check-raise to get an extra bet from button - you would check-raise to get an extra bet from UTG.

However, as others have noted, I think that there is way too high a chance that the preflop 3-better would clam up on such a scary board, and I would bet out the flop here.

EDIT: I guess that underlying my opinion of the purpose for check-raising is the opinion that a preflop 3-better would likely raise our bet, forcing UTG to call two cold. A check raise would force UTG to call bets one at a time, making it more likely that UTG would call those two bets.

Nick Royale · #10 02-15-2005, 02:15 PM

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My guess is that Button has a high pocket pair: KK, QQ, or JJ, with KK or JJ being more likely for obvious reasons. I think he'd raise here if he had AK.

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Wouldn't the quads at least raise one time at this board?