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#42
10-01-2005, 02:03 PM
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Re: My Position on the 2nd Amendment
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Did hurricane Katrina not open your eyes to how dangerous the world is? [/ QUOTE ] How the hell did Katrina become evidence in FAVOR of guns? Yes, the world is a dangerous place. But guns are not the answer to some forms of danger. It seems like you've got some blinders on if you start throwing in statements like that one into your argument, especially as your big "closer". -ptmusic 
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#43
10-01-2005, 02:11 PM
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Re: My Position on the 2nd Amendment
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[ QUOTE ] Did hurricane Katrina not open your eyes to how dangerous the world is? [/ QUOTE ] How the hell did Katrina become evidence in FAVOR of guns? [/ QUOTE ] Because roaming thugs (with guns!) weren't deterred by the state-supplied police. Assume that armed thugs are a given. Which group is going to suffer more rights violations: a group of private property owners who might be armed to the teeth (the thugs know that a significant portion of them have guns, but can't be certain which ones are and are not armed), or a group of private property owners who the thugs can be almost certain have no weapons? [ QUOTE ] Yes, the world is a dangerous place. But guns are not the answer to some forms of danger. [/ QUOTE ] They're the answer to armed thugs. Frowning at them isn't going to work.
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#44
10-01-2005, 04:44 PM
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Re: My Position on the 2nd Amendment
I tend to agree with you. However, I am uncomfortable with something as basic as the right to the means of self-defense being left to the whim of 50% + 1.
Is the right to the means of self-defense any less fundamental than the right to integrated education? If not, shouldn't school desegregation have been left up to a vote? Of course, I disagree with that. How about marriage-like contractual rights for homosexuals being left up to a vote? Amendment 10 states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people From the perspective of Liberty (my opinion), a right reserved to the States is a right that can be modified by the legislative process within that state (by the people through their elected representatives). A right reserved to The People is a right not subject to majority vote, which is why we have an independent judiciary, to strike down legislation that the majority favors. The libertarian view is that the tyranny of the majority is much more insidious than the tyranny of the dictator, because the tyrant masquerades as popular opinion. Back to gun control. I don not now, nor have I ever owned a firearm. However, if I determine that I need one to protect my family or property, that is not the business of the collective until I initiate violence, in which case the law of the land applies. You might suggest that protecting me from violence is the job of the police (I agree), but it is neither feasible nor desirable for there to be so large a police presence to protect all citizens at all times. Finally, I view gun control as a "feel good" issue for a politician. Like the war on drugs, it simply does not work.
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#45
10-01-2005, 04:58 PM
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Re: My Position on the 2nd Amendment
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Assume that armed thugs are a given. [/ QUOTE ] No. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yes, the world is a dangerous place. But guns are not the answer to some forms of danger. [/ QUOTE ] They're the answer to armed thugs. Frowning at them isn't going to work. [/ QUOTE ] Now you're making assumptions again (funny how you constantly criticize others for doing the same). As if frowning is the only option other than guns! -ptmusic
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#46
10-01-2005, 07:23 PM
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Re: My Position on the 2nd Amendment
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[ QUOTE ] Assume that armed thugs are a given. [/ QUOTE ] No. [/ QUOTE ] OK. Now give me your plan for 100% elimination of armed thugs. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] They're the answer to armed thugs. Frowning at them isn't going to work. [/ QUOTE ] Now you're making assumptions again (funny how you constantly criticize others for doing the same). As if frowning is the only option other than guns! [/ QUOTE ] Name one.
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#47
10-01-2005, 08:16 PM
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Re: My Position on the 2nd Amendment
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Assume that armed thugs are a given. [/ QUOTE ] No. [/ QUOTE ] OK. Now give me your plan for 100% elimination of armed thugs. [/ QUOTE ] No. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] They're the answer to armed thugs. Frowning at them isn't going to work. [/ QUOTE ] Now you're making assumptions again (funny how you constantly criticize others for doing the same). As if frowning is the only option other than guns! [/ QUOTE ] Name one. [/ QUOTE ] No. -ptmusic
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#48
10-01-2005, 09:30 PM
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Re: My Position on the 2nd Amendment.
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] i say that the 2nd amendment to the prostitution ; guarantees me the right to blow str8 to hell any sob who comes to my house trying to take my gun..
didja get a look at fla's new law on gun usage; should bring back the old west.. jmho gl [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#49
10-02-2005, 11:29 PM
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Re: My Position on the 2nd Amendment
US Department of Justice on the 2nd Amendment. Thought it was interesting.
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
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