Stud vs Hold Em (low content)

[TheSalche]

I don't know how much I agree with this. I'm playing more hold'em right now than stud, but after playing hold'em, then omaha then stud, I think stud is a lot more helpful to limit hold'em than omaha is. Many plays such as raising to get a free card, etc. crossover easily.

Now I think its fair to say a good stud player does not necessarily equal a good NL hold'em player (and vice versa).

[TheSalche]

Here's a quote from Johnny Moss that's kind of insulting ...

"Hold em is to stud what chess is to checkers. "

Found it there: http://www.launchpoker.com/poker_fun/quotations/

[greenage]

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Here's a quote from Johnny Moss that's kind of insulting ...

"Hold em is to stud what chess is to checkers. "

Found it there: http://www.launchpoker.com/poker_fun/quotations/

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I don’t have it here at work, but in 7CSFAP, don’t they say that 7 Card Stud is the most difficult form of poker?

[Andy B]

Well, Moss said a lot of things. I think he has it backwards.

[SNOWBALL138]

Chip Reese said if you can master stud than you can master any form of poker. Chip Reese > Johnny Moss.

stud made me instnatly good at hold em when the boom came. and when i seriously wanted to be good at stud it improved my hold em game.

It improved my limit holdem more than anything.

I don't play that high (4-8, 6-12), but I have trouble believing that HE is a more challenging game, on a purely mechanical level. In stud, there are so many cards to keep track of, so many different draws and hand ranges to consider, different potential "best" hands for each opponent, more outs to keep track of...

In HE, there are relatively few cards exposed, and there are tracking tools, data bases and software to help players out, but I don't think such programs would help as much with stud, given the hidden cards and bigger boards. On any HE board, it's obvious to a squirrel what the nuts are, and what your outs are. Not so in stud.

I know I'm not yet a good poker player, but I didn't become a winning HE player until I got serious about stud. I think it makes for good general poker mental exercise.

[OrianasDaad]

I believe that David Sklansky has stated on these forums that 7-Card-Stud is the most difficult form of poker to master.

[FeliciaLee]

Danny has said this for years. Moss, like Negreanu, was primarily a HE player.

I am certainly no expert, but I have a lot of theories, and most of them are correct. Just as a good Stud player doesn't equal a good HE player, a great theorist doesn't equal a great poker player.

Stud is the type of game that will teach patience. It will teach a certain type of memory consciousness and a good ability to read hands, as well as people skills. How many fights break out in a Stud game? Not many. No, I'm not talking about since the HE boom, either. I remember back when AC was almost all Stud, and still, the fights broke out at the HE tables.

As we progress, yes, reading hands at Stud is easier than reading hands at HE. Is it solely because of exposed cards? No, not solely, although that is a great benefit to us. We have progressed.

As the stakes get higher, the pots become important enough to buy jewelry or a car, psychology starts to figure into the game more. Sheer aggression, the willingness to make the third bluff is a factor. The advantages of a closed handed game are obvious. You will see a ton of middle/higher limit games of HE, but not many of Stud (I'm talking 100/200 and higher).

Then there is the highest echelon. And what is played? Rarely HE, the biggest mix is:

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No-limit Deuce-to-Seven single draw
No-limit Hold’em
Pot-limit Omaha
No-Limit Ace-to-Five single draw

$4000-$8000 limit games:

Omaha Eight-or-Better
Seven-Stud High
Seven-Stud Eight-or-Better
Deuce-to-Seven Triple Draw
Limit Hold’em
and occasionally Razz


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Yes, this is taken directly from Barry's website. And yes, he admits that Ted is one of the winners in the "big game." And third, Ted's best games are Stud games (Stud, Stud 8, Razz). If you think there is nothing to what I'm saying, then pity you.

Daniel is NOT one of the players, nor one of the winners in the big game. Do I see a coincidence? Yes.

Like Howard Lederer has asserted, " Specialize at your Peril ."

Amen.

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

"Any game where there's more decisions to make is a more skillful game. If someone can master stud, then they can master any poker game."--Chip Reese

"Seven Card Stud is the most skillful game to play correctly."--Page 28, Sklansky on Poker

"Seven Card Stud is clearly the most difficult game."--Page 29, Sklansky on Poker

[SA125]

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I remember back when AC was almost all Stud, and still, the fights broke out at the HE tables.

You will see a ton of middle/higher limit games of HE, but not many of Stud (I'm talking 100/200 and higher).

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As far as the Taj goes, both of these statements are wrong. The argueing and calling for the floor is done way more at the Stud games. That's my opinion. 90% of the time, the highest limit game being spread is always Stud. That's a fact.