Wait for the turn?

[sholvar]

with more than 2 limpers it is sure that call is better.

[BruinEric]

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anyone fold this pf?


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I would almost always fold this PF.

If the table is consistently 5+ to the flop with PF raises being very rare I might call.

On this hand, you only have two players in when the PF decision comes to OP, so I would fold.

*Disclaimer - I'm pretty tight pre-flop on stuff like this because the added possibility of getting out-kicked when I hit a K on board is extra trouble for me as I bet/raise aggressively with top pair.

[DeathDonkey]

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anyone fold this pf?


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yup

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Anyone raise this preflop? (yep!)

-DeathDonkey

[MrEngenic]

On a weak tight table I am raising this every time. MP1 is a bad player, no good players post in MP1 and he only checks = he probably has a bad hand. MP3 just calls behind a poster in a perfect steal position = he is a bad passive player or a bad player slowplaying a monster like AA. He could have anything though, maybe a pocket or high suited cards. There is no hand where it is correct to just limp here though.
The players will often read your hand as a premium raising hand because you raise behind two players. If few pots go to showdown you will win this by autobetting flop and turn so often. If you miss and get resistance you can just let go of it.
Plays like this works even better if you have something like QJs because then you have many more outs. You can hit your outs, and your opponent will often fold if an A or K comes because they think you have AK-AJ, TT-AA. With K7s you are not likely to get paid off if you hit your king.

Unless the blinds are loose, if there is a LP poster I raise first in on CO and button with any two cards. Any two. Works great on crypto 1/2, don't know about party 1/2 9 max.

[Duerig]

Thanks for the responses everyone. In what situations do you like to wait until the turn?

[LowDown22]

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Thanks for the responses everyone. In what situations do you like to wait until the turn?

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In general, I wait for the turn when the pot is big, my hand is only somewhat strong and is vulnerable to many turn cards (like half the deck or something). A set is far too powerful to wait for the turn.

[MrEngenic]

Postflop play: Would play totally different with a preflopraise. SB betting into the field with this flop probably means, well I don't know. He tries to tell u he has a K or a flush draw I guess. If he is on a flush draw you don't know if he will bet the turn if a blank comes, so I think you should stick a raise in on the flop. He will give up on his bluffs on the turn also, maybe check/fold or bet/fold.
I like playing high trips aggressively on the flop. Chances are they will not believe you and call you down where they would fold to a turn raise. Works especially good with aces since many try to bluff when two aces flop. I don't know why people love doing that.

[Rev. Good Will]

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anyone fold this pf?

Raise the flop.

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If the game is loose/passive enough, I seen no problem with limping there.

[MrEngenic]

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If the game is loose/passive enough, I seen no problem with limping there.

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Loose passive = limp but I'd prefer more opponents.
Tight passive = easy raise

[Aaron W.]

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Of course.

But against a poster and a weak limper (weak enough not to raise the poster from late middle position), this is already a good time to limp. More players just increases "good" to "great".