One of *those* decisions...

[Aaron W.]

Villain's last bet put him all in. He's been a generally conservative player with brief moments of solid TAG play (a couple steals where he followed through on the flop and turn, then caught his card on the river which he also bet).

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Button folds, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

[Vote4Pedro]

No raise PF?

I call

[Aaron W.]

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No raise PF?

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A8s is the cutoff for the auto-preflop raise from SB for me. Sometimes I'll raise, sometimes I'll limp. I think a 20 PFR is quite high enough for me.

[MicroBob]

this is a raise and it isn't even close imo.
It's not being conservative to complete here, it's just being weak.

you don't want to give the BB a free look at it (and they WILL fold lots of hands).
Your A-high stands a good chance to take it down unimproved against 1 opponent. But you are not nearly so likely to win with A-high against 2 opponents.


Against a weak button limper (any button open-limp is weak IMO)I think you should be raising ANY ace.

[POKhER]

Preflop: Raise it if you feel comfortable in SB position.

For me i think A8s is boarderline as i dont feel im comfortable enough yet post flop with weaker aces.

Turn, If they fold the turn often (Check PT stats) then i like it. Otherwise i may check to get a free river or a weak bluff from one of them? What you reckon about the bluff induce? Marginal to say the least 3way right :P?

River - Bet/fold

If he wasn't all in i think its also a bet i just wonder if a flush will raise you?

I think often here Aces, Jacks, Kings are checking behind.

5's will bet/raise, 4's will bet/raise/call.

Weaker flushes will... This is where im torn. Will a weaker flush raise forcing us to fold the best hand?

The fact he's all in makes it is, easy say he has another 10BB. Are we bet folding?

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Against a weak button limper (any button open-limp is weak IMO)I think you should be raising ANY ace.

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That raises another possibility with this hand, which is that the seemingly inexcusable button open limp was an AA or KK looking for some action. We were given enough details of the read on villain that perhaps the limp was veiwed with suspicion. But if the read was that the villain does open limp with his weaker hands the A8s has got to raise preflop.

[jba]

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No raise PF?

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A8s is the cutoff for the auto-preflop raise from SB for me. Sometimes I'll raise, sometimes I'll limp. I think a 20 PFR is quite high enough for me.

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you mean behind exactly one limper, or just in general

against a seemingly aggressive button limper this is a mistake IMO, you really ought to at least try to isolate so your Ahi has a chance at showdown.

[Aaron W.]

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No raise PF?

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A8s is the cutoff for the auto-preflop raise from SB for me. Sometimes I'll raise, sometimes I'll limp. I think a 20 PFR is quite high enough for me.

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you mean behind exactly one limper, or just in general

against a seemingly aggressive button limper this is a mistake IMO, you really ought to at least try to isolate so your Ahi has a chance at showdown.

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I mean with a limper. I don't know where you get that button is seemingly aggro. The read I gave was on BB, and that was a generally conservative one.

Because some players are so bad, I find myself limping liberally from SB (45 VPIPSB). I do this in weak and/or passive games where I know that a flop donk has a reasonable chance of taking down the pot (especially if broadway cards fall) or if I know that flops get checked through regularly. Sometimes I limp some stronger hands because I've been raising often and getting too much action. I don't remember the context of this hand, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was the case.

[jba]

sorry about the mixup on the reads. but against a generally conservative BB this is even more of a raise for me. don't give infinite odds when you are probably ahead.

"Sometimes I limp some stronger hands because I've been raising often and getting too much action"

you really confuse me sometimes. this seems backwards to me.

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I think a 20 PFR is quite high enough for me.

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Make sure it stays the *right* 20% though...