99 $15/$30 online... bad fold?

drbk2 · #1 08-26-2005, 07:11 AM

Haven't played a full game online for a while, so I'm a little rusty. No real reads on anyone this hand.

Preflop: UTG limps, UTG +1 limps, I raise from mp2 or so with black 99, folded to small blind who calls, big blind calls, two limpers call.

Flop: 7s 4h 2h. Small blind fires, UTG calls, UTG + 1 calls, I call.

Turn: 7h. Small blind fires again, UTG folds, UTG +1 calls, I fold.

Comments?

vmacosta · #2 08-26-2005, 07:40 AM

Yup. SB could have any PP or even a hand like A4. Yu showed no strength on the flop (presumably hoping for a safe turn card to raise)...of course you see one of the worst possible turn cards but I think given your flop line you are committed to calling down (9:1 is almost enough to draw to full house even if we assume SB has a flush and limper is drawing to one). Worst hand SB could have would be one with a 7 but wouldnt SB gone for c/r on flop with a 7? I'd call turn and call 1 bet on river unless it is a non-9 heart.

#3 08-26-2005, 08:51 AM

This is a tough spot since you dont have a line on your oppononent. For instance if you knew that your opponent would checkraise the flop if he had a made hand and lead out if he had a draw than you would know he cannot have a 7, and since there were two openended straights on the board he still may not have the flush, so you should continue. And if he would bet a made hand or a draw on the flop, well then he could still have somethinging like 66,88. Either way, this is a very tough spot where knowing your opponent is absolutely critical. That said, not knowing my opponent i would fold here and live to fight another day.

ActionJeff · #4 08-26-2005, 09:10 AM

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This is a tough spot since you dont have a line on your oppononent. For instance if you knew that your opponent would checkraise the flop if he had a made hand and lead out if he had a draw than you would know he cannot have a 7, and since there were two openended straights on the board he still may not have the flush, so you should continue. And if he would bet a made hand or a draw on the flop, well then he could still have somethinging like 66,88. Either way, this is a very tough spot where knowing your opponent is absolutely critical. That said, not knowing my opponent i would fold here and live to fight another day.

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because, living to fight another day is always important when calculating ev in a cash game.

I think this is definitely a call for you.

#5 08-26-2005, 03:53 PM

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This is a tough spot since you dont have a line on your oppononent. For instance if you knew that your opponent would checkraise the flop if he had a made hand and lead out if he had a draw than you would know he cannot have a 7, and since there were two openended straights on the board he still may not have the flush, so you should continue. And if he would bet a made hand or a draw on the flop, well then he could still have somethinging like 66,88. Either way, this is a very tough spot where knowing your opponent is absolutely critical. That said, not knowing my opponent i would fold here and live to fight another day.

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because, living to fight another day is always important when calculating ev in a cash game.

I think this is definitely a call for you.

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I will stand by my statement, You should fold the turn verse the typical opponent. As far as raising the flop or not raising the flop. With 3 people already committed to the pot, and the fact that your equity in this pot is going to change dramatically with the turn card, you should not raise the flop but instead wait for the right turn card to raise when your advantage will be much greater with one card to come. If the turn card was a heart, I would call, If it was a 7 but not a heart I would call, But with the 7H hitting turn, I would fold. Also as far as preflop. I will raise 99 in middle position after two limpers if i think I will get alot of backend callers so i can build a nice pot knowing i probably have to flop a set to win. If the backend is not loose then you are better off just limping here after two people have already limped in.

Turning Stone Pro · #6 08-26-2005, 09:42 AM

What kind of flop were you hoping to receive????

Terrible. You gotta raise this flop to re-take control of the hand, so you can fire on the turn. You have the best hand for sure on the flop, and you let eveyone suck along, and meekly folded the turn. You have to make it expensive for these folks to draw to their overcards. You are giving everyone proper odds to suck out on you.

I hate it.

Turning Stone Pro · #7 08-26-2005, 09:45 AM

sucks. weak-passive. horrendous! live to fight another day?? might have a 7???

bet your damn hand on the flop. This is results-oriented reasoning to the worst degree.

BradL · #8 08-26-2005, 11:45 AM

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sucks. weak-passive. horrendous! live to fight another day?? might have a 7???

bet your damn hand on the flop. This is results-oriented reasoning to the worst degree.

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...and for the love of christ raise the turn.

-Brad

drbk2 · #9 08-27-2005, 04:19 AM

Well if it was results oriented people would have told me to at least call down as I woulda been good this hand

Rick Nebiolo · #10 08-26-2005, 02:37 PM

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You have the best hand for sure on the flop

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Don't agree with the above statement. Agree that hero should raise on the flop.

My observation is many players fire out of blinds with sets and two pair into a string of potential callers with the pre flop raiser acting last. I'm guessing you just exaggerated to make your point about the flop raise.

~ Rick