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Old 12-25-2005, 05:33 AM
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I think your fine. Worst case senerio is that he has trip, which i doubt b/c he would of prob raised with TT, AA, and if his a fish 88 as well.

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88 is a standard raise from any position in 6max for me, and I'm no fish [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-25-2005, 05:57 AM
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Default Re: ATs UTG flops top 2

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I think your fine. Worst case senerio is that he has trip, which i doubt b/c he would of prob raised with TT, AA, and if his a fish 88 as well.

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88 is a standard raise from any position in 6max for me, and I'm no fish [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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If everyone limps in and you raise 88 from the SB or BB (as a standard play), you are a fish. An aggro one, but a fish nonetheless. I guess that makes you a donkey?

As for the actual hand, sometimes you go broke with top 2. Most of the time you dont. FYI there is no reason to 3bet on this dry flop. Just call and lead the turn, and get the rest in there.
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Old 12-25-2005, 06:34 AM
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I don't like the 3-bet. He's not raising w/ diamonds.
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Old 12-25-2005, 06:39 AM
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I don't like the 3-bet. He's not raising w/ diamonds.

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A) I didnt notice the flush draw
B) I didnt notice this was 9 handed

In conclusion, it looks more and more like you ran into a set. Sucks. Going broke with top 2 against a set isnt a leak IMO, its just crap. If you were deeper maybe I can find a fold, but prob not.

I am at a loss here for how to handle this in a deep stacked situation. We would want to 3bet to charge a semibluff raise, but we dont want to bloat the pot OOP (or do we??? I think we do). Perhaps C/C, C/C turn and river isnt bad, but Im probably just being results oriented.
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Old 12-25-2005, 11:04 AM
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maybe flush and straight draw or 88..TT.. anyway..after reraise IŽd like to fold.
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Old 12-25-2005, 03:52 AM
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I'm definetly getting my money in here,..if not on the flop, on a blank turn...sucks if you ran into 88 or TT...I think even the worst of players raise AA in the SB here.
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Old 12-25-2005, 07:01 AM
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Default Re: ATs UTG flops top 2

Just a nit here: once you push, don't show the turn and river cards, and don't show whether SB calls.

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I hope you won the hand, though. When SB four-bets here, it has a sickening hint of value to it, so I'm not sure if 2pr is any good. Particularly since you're basically hoping for him to have A8...

I'd be pretty surprised to see AA here, but not so surprised to see TT or 88.
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Old 12-25-2005, 09:03 AM
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what card can be slowplaing on this flop? Can it be a 2 pair. I think no (or an villian is stupid log such as there is a flush draw). If we see a check-raising here,I think we against 10 10 or 88
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Old 12-25-2005, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: ATs UTG flops top 2

Thanks for the comments guys. When he c/r'd, I instantly thought he had AdXd. I raised, he minraises again. I decide I'm going with my intuition and am not getting away from this and push. Turns out he had Ad4d and MHIG.
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Old 12-25-2005, 03:04 PM
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Default Re: ATs UTG flops top 2

I don't think this is terrible. I don't think it's great either but you're ahead of plenty here. Especially since yesterday at a full table at party I had a guy do this with AK, TPTK and my set was good. Donks also love going broke with bottom 2, as well as any other 2 pair.
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