I Knew What You Had

[Jeffage]

80 hand. Main villian is a very strong player and plays better than I do. There, I can admit that much. Anyway...

Strong player opens for a raise in the cutoff. Loose player on the button coldcalls, SB folds and I go ahead and make it three bets with AK. Both of my opponents call and we see the flop three ways. Flop is Q-10-3 rainbow. I bet and only the strong player calls. The turn is a 4. I bet again and he calls. River is another ten (Q-10-3-4-10). I check, he sprays in a bet fast. I think for a second and he says, "I was ahead the whole time, believe me. I knew what you had, I wanted you to keep giving your money away." Anyway, I fold (I was going to anyway bf this diatribe). He shows 10-9. Is there anything to discuss here? Would you bet the flop and turn close to 100% of the time in this spot. What if the river truly blanked...are you check-calling?

Thanks,
Jeff

[CardSharpCook]

Naw, bet the turn. He folds an underpair some percentage of the time and also gives up on 89. If he calls, you're still ahead some percentage of the time, and when you aren't ahead, you've got 4-10 outs. Check/call vs. check/fold is villian dependant. Online, I'd tend towards check/call.

[mscags]

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Naw, bet the turn. He folds an underpair some percentage of the time and also gives up on 89. If he calls, you're still ahead some percentage of the time, and when you aren't ahead, you've got 4-10 outs. Check/call vs. check/fold is villian dependant. Online, I'd tend towards check/call.

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If he "knows" what you have he is probably raising at some point to knock you off of your hand and not to give you a cheap chance to beat him.

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Naw, bet the turn. He folds an underpair some percentage of the time and also gives up on 89. If he calls, you're still ahead some percentage of the time, and when you aren't ahead, you've got 4-10 outs. Check/call vs. check/fold is villian dependant. Online, I'd tend towards check/call.

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I agree with this quote, which is why I liked the way you played your hand Jeff. I would also like to add, that I was really confused as to what the strong player could have until you told us what his hand was. I think the strong player misplayed his hand postflop. On this board, it is almost mandatory that the strong player raise your flop bet with Qx or Tx, since the strong player could easily have the best hand and most importantly to force out the other opponent.

[UMTerp]

It's evident that this player is in your head if you're posting this hand. Of course you played it fine. He didn't know what you had unless you're exhibiting some sort of tell - you play any AQ and KQs the exact same way, right?

[MNpoker]

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It's evident that this player is in your head if you're posting this hand. Of course you played it fine. He didn't know what you had unless you're exhibiting some sort of tell - you play any AQ and KQs the exact same way, right?

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You'd 3 bet these?

[UMTerp]

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You'd 3 bet these?

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Yes, the majority of the time.

Against a potential steal-raise from the cutoff and a loose button call? Sure - raise for value.

[gabbahh]

Next time say:
How the f did you know I had KQ of spades?

Next, laugh at his reaction.

[phish]

He's full of [censored] when he says he knew what you had. If he had, he would've raised the turn. Why give you a free card to hit a 10 outer? He'd much rather you muck, and you might've thinking you were drawing slimmer than you actually were.

[skp]

The turn raise by the strong player is IMO quite debatable. I think he should raise only if (a) he feels that he can't get a call from Jeff on the river with an unimproved AK or (b) he intends on value betting the river if Jeff calls the turn raise and still expects to be called by AK.

(b) will be a rare occurrence.

Come to think of it, the guy's turn raise will also be seriously devalued if Jeff is aggressive enough to 3 bet with AQ.