The Pats do not "own" Peyton Manning. - Page 2

tolbiny · #11 11-04-2005, 02:47 PM

"2004 Divisional Playoffs: 27/42, 238 yards, one garbage time INT."

This is a pretty bad game, no? ~5 yrds per pass attmept is poor for the "best" qb in the league, even when playing against one of the better D's in the league. I'm not saying that they have owned him, but i don't think that Manning has played pretty darn well and the rest of the team left himn out to dry. Last year in the playoffs the D held a strong pats O in check most of the game- and i personally blame Manning's inablity to alter the gameplan to their loss more than anything else.

#12 11-04-2005, 02:53 PM

Peyton Manning = The leader of the Colts.

Saying he is not owned by the Pats is wrong, simply because when youre a leader, its your fault when you lose, and your credit when you win. Just as if Tony Dungy had called great plays during the game but they werent executed well, its STILL his fault they lost, since he is a leader of that team.

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Dynasty · #13 11-04-2005, 03:26 PM

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2004 Divisional Playoffs: 27/42, 238 yards, one garbage time INT.

...let's take a look at why the Colts only scored three points last year in the playoffs.

Edgerrin James had 14 carries for 39 yards.

...How is that Peyton's fault?

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It's Peyton's fault the team only scored 3 points because he threw the ball 42 times whereas Edge only ran the ball 14 times. The Colts didn't make any effort to establish the running game. They simply put the offense in Peyton's arm.

sam h · #14 11-04-2005, 03:45 PM

Manning's playoff game last year was not the supreme choke job of the year before but still was decidedly mediocre. Averaging less than six yards a throw is not good. Overall the team may have been more sabotaged by the lack of a running game, but the fact is that Manning never made any big plays that would lead to points (no passes > 20 yards, only a handful > 10). The INT may have been in garbage time but if you are going to disregard that, then also disregard the 60 or so yards he picked up through the air on that garbage time drive. 170 yards passing doesn't look as pretty, no? He also fumbled, if I recall correctly, although I think the Colts recovered.

Toro · #15 11-04-2005, 05:07 PM

You're just looking at overall stats which are telling a lie. In just about every game against the Pats it's come down to a few big plays and on these big game deciding plays the Pats have "owned" Manning.

Monday night should be very interesting. It looks like there is no way the Pats should win this game. But if somehow they do find a way to win, Indy and Manning will have to go away thinking that they just can't beat NE. This is a very big game for Manning/Indy.

holeplug · #16 11-04-2005, 05:15 PM

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Looks to me like he's played pretty well in 3 games and pretty awful in one.

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Good post Jack, the only thing I would say is in regards to the above, his pretty awful game came at the least opportune time.

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Yeah, of course. The 2003 Pats were just amazing on defense. 2004 was obviously worse on D, but their offense was so much better with Tom Brady taking a step forward and becoming one of the best QBs in the league that year.

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Actually I think this had more to do with Corey Dillion then Tom Brady. They went from 27th in the NFL in rushing in 2003 all the way up to 7th in just one year after Dillion arrived.

Jeff W · #17 11-04-2005, 07:49 PM

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Let's look at the stats.

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Okay, Manning averaged 6 yards per attempt or better in only one of the four games you listed.

BadBoyBenny · #18 11-04-2005, 07:58 PM

If Manning is going to get credit for his ability to audible into the right play at the line, he also has to own up some when the playcalling sucks.

My guess is that Manning could not read pre snap whether the safeties were going to play pass or run and that has killed them. Maybe it would be better to say that Crennel\Belichek\Mangini own Manning.

PhatTBoll · #19 11-04-2005, 08:35 PM

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You're just looking at overall stats which are telling a lie. In just about every game against the Pats it's come down to a few big plays and on these big game deciding plays the Pats have "owned" Manning.

Monday night should be very interesting. It looks like there is no way the Pats should win this game. But if somehow they do find a way to win, Indy and Manning will have to go away thinking that they just can't beat NE. This is a very big game for Manning/Indy.

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This game is much bigger for the Pats.

If Indy loses they are still in control in the AFC, while if the Pats lose, they best they can realistically hope for is a 3 seed ( but no worse than a 4, because the rest of the AFCE is pathetic). In that case, they'd be playing the Colts in the Dome, which would immediately become the biggest game in the history of that place. Completely different atmosphere than 25 degrees at Foxboro, and much easier for Manning, Edge, and Marvin to work their magic.

Toro · #20 11-04-2005, 08:41 PM

Win or lose this game, the Pats are going to win the AFC East and be the 3 seed, that's it. No one expects the Pats to win this game, maybe not even them. No, this game is huge for Indy. Psychologically it is very very important that they collectively and Manning individually prove to themselves/himself that they can beat the Pats.