Is this fair?

[cormacie]

Hi,
I'm looking to set up my own tournaments and I'd appreciate your comments on my structure. There will be two tournament types:
1) Re-Buy with Top Up
2) Freezeout.

I will be getting 2,000 chips and with this amount I hope to accommodate for 50 Re-Buy players or 100 Freezeout players.

I want to make the best use out of my chips so I designed this structure assigning a set amount of chips to each player for a Re-Buy tournament. I have allowed for 3 Re-Buys per person plus 1 top up in the first hour and a half. Of course not everybody will buy 3 Re-Buys so there should be plenty spare for those who want to Re-Buy more than 3 times.

This assigned Re-Buy amount per player can then be divided into two equal stacks to cater for 2 Freezeout stacks.

<font color="red">Re-Buy Tournament:</font>
White(25) x 8 = 200
Red(100) x 8 = 800(+ 2 to colour up the above)
Blue(500) x 4 = 2,000(+2 to colour up the above)

Total starting chips = 3,000 = 60X Big Blind (Blinds start at 25/50)

I then have:
Green(1000) x 14 = 14,000

which is to accommodate for Re-Buys (3K) and a Top Up (3k)

and I also have

Black(5000) to colour up for final table to cut down on chip amounts.

<font color="blue">Summary:</font>
White(25) x 8 = 200
Red(100) x 8(2) = 800
Blue(500) x 4(2) = 2,000
Green(1,000) x 14 = 14,000
Black(5,000) x 2 = 10,000

In total that is 40 chips assigned to each player for the Re-Buy tournament.

This stack of 40 can then be made into 2 even stacks to accommodate 2 freezeout players like so:

<font color="red">Freezeout:</font>
Green(25) x 6 = 150
Red(50) x 5 = 250
Blue(200) x 3 = 600
White(500) x 4 = 2,000

Total starting chips = 3,000 = 60X Big Blind (Blinds start at 25/50)

I then have 1 black left over which can colour up the Green, Red and Blue at a later stage.

<font color="blue">Summary:</font>
Green(25) x 6 = 150
Red(50) x 5 = 250
Blue(200) x 3 = 600
White(500) x 4 = 2,000
Black(1000) x 1 = 1,000

This equals 19 chips assigned to each freezeout player.

This means there will be 40 chips per person for a Re-Buy tournament, from 2,000 chips, this allows 50 players and for a freezeout it will allow 100 players.

I will need to following amount of colours in total so:
White: 400
Red: 500
Blue: 300
Green: 700
Black: 100

Total = 2,000


I suppose it would be wise to get a good few of each colour for spares also.

The freezeout is to last 4 hours and the Re-Buy is to last between 5 and 6 hours.

What are your opinions on this set-up? Do you think it is fair? Do you think it will run well?

Also, what about the colours? Should I swap colour values to have Black = 100 instead of red being 100 etc?

I would appreciate any comments or criticisms.

I have not yet decided on a blind structure but it will be as fair as possible. If anyone knows of any structure that would suit this set up, please recommend it.

Do you think there is a better way to distribute the chips? Another option is to have something like this:

white(10)-5
red(50)-3
blue(300)-3
black(500)-1
TOTAL STARTING: 1600 (80x BB {10/20}) (12 chips)
green(1000) Colour Up Chips

or


white(10)-5
red(50)-5
blue(300)-2
black(500)-1
TOTAL STARTING: 1400 (70x BB {10/20}) (13 chips)
green(1000) Colour Up Chips

I haven't really got my head around this set up yet as I have been using other recommendations of 25/50 set ups.


Thanks

[mmmmmbrother]

i think having 25s and 50s makes things messy.
i thinkt he general rule is having each denomination step up at least 4 or 5 times in value

everything else looks awsome, besides the fact your players will have to do a lot of chip trading with themselves as they only start with 8 small chips etc.

[Quicksilvre]

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i think having 25s and 50s makes things messy.
i thinkt he general rule is having each denomination step up at least 4 or 5 times in value

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Agreed. Fifty dollar chips are pretty unorthodox; the pattern is usually 1-5-25-100-500-1000-5000. Otherwise, this looks terrific.

[Lottery Larry]

"Re-Buy with Top Up"

I've never heard this phrase used before. I could even see top-OFF, rather than the typical add-on, but that was unusual phrasing. Where are you from

Also, the greens and other color up chips might be a bit short- you only have 14 greens in total? Or did I misread? My chart has 25-50% more count of a chip color in addition, for coloring up lower values during the breaks.

[cormacie]

Hi,
Thanks for the feedback.

With regards the 50 value chip, is it really that important not to have it? If I had it, it would mean the problem of players swapping chips will be eliminated as there will be no real need to swap chips if they have 25's and 50's. Also, the suggested method of 25, 100, 500, 1000 means I will be using only 4 colours and will not be able to make the amount with my chips.

Is the fact I have a chip at value 25 and 50 really that bad so?

I am from Ireland, Top Up is a common phrase used for getting add on chips. It's used by phone companies for putting more money into your phone and the likes also.

Larry, I'm really not sure if you did actually mis-read it or not. The 14 greens will not be used to colouring up, but for Rebuys and Top Ups. The Black (5000) will be used to colour up excess chips. The 2 extra reds (100) will be used to colour up the 8 whites(25) and the 2 extra 500s will be used to colour up what will then be 10 reds (1000).

So do you reckon this is ok then?

I may swap the colours around (only the colours, not values or amounts etc) so as the black and the blue chips will not be played with at the same time as blue chips can be disguised in amongst black chips.

So do you think anything less than 20 chips is far too little in terms of players swapping change around?

Thanks again

[cianosheehan]

Would that amount of chips in circulation not be a pain for tournament organisers to look after?

[Quicksilvre]

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With regards the 50 value chip, is it really that important not to have it?

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No, you can have whatever denominations that make the players happy. I just think it's a bit redundant to have 25s, 50s and 100s.