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12-02-2005, 08:19 PM
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short stacked, what kind of hands do i want to get all in multiway
preflop
say i have around 20BB at a full table, all stacks cover me most have 100BB. i figure i probably want to avoid naked big pairs because they get very dominated by higher pairs. all wraps are probably good. but what about hands like A4sKJs 
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#3
12-02-2005, 08:25 PM
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Re: short stacked, what kind of hands do i want to get all in multiway
i'm not talking about pushing with these hands, i'm just saying if i have an oppurtunity to get like 4:1 or 5:1 what should i call with
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#4
12-02-2005, 09:27 PM
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Re: short stacked, what kind of hands do i want to get all in multiway
I would get it all in with any kind of playable hand including hands like 5667 and 3467 unsuited. Generally there is enough of a chance that you will be getting 4-1 on your 20BB and one or more of the other players will drop out
when they still had a chance to win the pot, giving you an overlay on your money.
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#5
12-02-2005, 09:48 PM
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Re: short stacked, what kind of hands do i want to get all in multiway
I don't agree that 5667 and 3467 are worth getting money all-in with (or even playing). In general, you should be playing tighter short-stacked as any hand you play becomes a significant portion of your stack. These garbage hands are only worth playing if double-suited, and even then, they are still marginal.
If it is all in before the flop, what is the most common winning hand? The answer is 2-pair. Whenever you have low cards, it's much more likely that somebody else's 2-pair beats your 2-pair.
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#6
12-02-2005, 09:56 PM
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Re: short stacked, what kind of hands do i want to get all in multiway
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I don't agree that 5667 and 3467 are worth getting money all-in with (or even playing). In general, you should be playing tighter short-stacked as any hand you play becomes a significant portion of your stack. These garbage hands are only worth playing if double-suited, and even then, they are still marginal. If it is all in before the flop, what is the most common winning hand? The answer is 2-pair. Whenever you have low cards, it's much more likely that somebody else's 2-pair beats your 2-pair. [/ QUOTE ] If you some twodimes numbers on this hands versus 3 playable hands including high cards and high pairs you are probably going to want to amend your post. The poster said he's getting 4 or 5:1.
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#8
12-02-2005, 10:37 PM
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Re: short stacked, what kind of hands do i want to get all in multiway
totally contrived but just for fun:
win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Ts Ac Ad Jh 41750 20.73 155772 77.35 3854 1.91 0.214 Qc Jc Td Kh 31931 15.86 165557 82.21 3888 1.93 0.165 Qs 9s 9d Qh 29770 14.78 171517 85.17 89 0.04 0.148 Js 8s Th 9h 26608 13.21 170859 84.85 3909 1.94 0.139 7s 6c 5d 3h 67374 33.46 134002 66.54 0 0.00 0.335 edit: changed the whole post
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#10
12-03-2005, 12:34 AM
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Re: short stacked, what kind of hands do i want to get all in multiway
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Beset - that's cheating! You had everyone blocking each other completely. LOL [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] i tried to come up with a real one but i got lazy
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