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09-09-2005, 12:55 PM
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Re: optimal rock paper scissors strategy (or jan ken pon)
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[ QUOTE ] Also, you get one "fire" for your entire lifetime. Fire beats everything. Except "water." You also get one water for your lifetime. Water loses to everything except fire. Although, I'm not sure if these rules run in any circles other than the Ultimate Frisbee community. It's actually very key there because captains will often rosham for sides, possession, etc. [/ QUOTE ] I've actually heard of a water over fire throw at an Ultimate tourney. -McGee [/ QUOTE ] yeah I read about one on RSD. Forget the details but I remember it sounded out of control. 
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09-09-2005, 12:59 PM
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Re: optimal rock paper scissors strategy (or jan ken pon)
we're called Ono, we're in the mixed division - based out of DC. this is my first year with them, sectionals + regionals should be fun. the top 7-8 at (mid-atlantic) regionals all have legit shots at 3 bids to nationals, it's really wide open
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09-09-2005, 01:02 PM
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Re: optimal rock paper scissors strategy (or jan ken pon)
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we're called Ono, we're in the mixed division - based out of DC. this is my first year with them, sectionals + regionals should be fun. the top 7-8 at (mid-atlantic) regionals all have legit shots at 3 bids to nationals, it's really wide open [/ QUOTE ] Nice I actually am going to play at sectionals this year, I forgot. I'm playing with a pick-up team of recent college grads. What I meant is that I don't play competitively anymore. i.e. this team isn't going to practice at all, haha. Good luck to you
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09-09-2005, 01:18 PM
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Re: optimal rock paper scissors strategy (or jan ken pon)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, you get one "fire" for your entire lifetime. Fire beats everything. Except "water." You also get one water for your lifetime. Water loses to everything except fire. Although, I'm not sure if these rules run in any circles other than the Ultimate Frisbee community. It's actually very key there because captains will often rosham for sides, possession, etc. [/ QUOTE ] I've actually heard of a water over fire throw at an Ultimate tourney. -McGee [/ QUOTE ] yeah I read about one on RSD. Forget the details but I remember it sounded out of control. [/ QUOTE ] why woudl it be out of control? assume two teams near the end of a tournament. Team A (TA) and Team B(TB) TA is great at offense and ok at defense. TA also wins 80% of the games that they start out ahead. TB is good at offense and good at defense. TB knows TA. clearly in a 1 shot RPS match, TA will throw fire b/c they need to win. TB will realize this and throw water. Barron
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09-09-2005, 01:20 PM
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Re: optimal rock paper scissors strategy (or jan ken pon)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, you get one "fire" for your entire lifetime. Fire beats everything. Except "water." You also get one water for your lifetime. Water loses to everything except fire. Although, I'm not sure if these rules run in any circles other than the Ultimate Frisbee community. It's actually very key there because captains will often rosham for sides, possession, etc. [/ QUOTE ] I've actually heard of a water over fire throw at an Ultimate tourney. -McGee [/ QUOTE ] yeah I read about one on RSD. Forget the details but I remember it sounded out of control. [/ QUOTE ] why woudl it be out of control? assume two teams near the end of a tournament. Team A (TA) and Team B(TB) TA is great at offense and ok at defense. TA also wins 80% of the games that they start out ahead. TB is good at offense and good at defense. TB knows TA. clearly in a 1 shot RPS match, TA will throw fire b/c they need to win. TB will realize this and throw water. Barron [/ QUOTE ] Your intellect is dizzying.
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09-09-2005, 01:54 PM
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Re: optimal rock paper scissors strategy (or jan ken pon)
if you ignore the fact that fire is a one time shot (like this is the finals of nationals and you don't care if you can never throw fire again) then the optimal strategy is to throw Fire 1/3, Water 1/3, and Rock/Paper/Scissors 1/9th each. it's slightly more complicated because of ties and shooting again, but if we're talking one shot
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09-09-2005, 02:27 PM
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Re: optimal rock paper scissors strategy (or jan ken pon)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, you get one "fire" for your entire lifetime. Fire beats everything. Except "water." You also get one water for your lifetime. Water loses to everything except fire. Although, I'm not sure if these rules run in any circles other than the Ultimate Frisbee community. It's actually very key there because captains will often rosham for sides, possession, etc. [/ QUOTE ] I've actually heard of a water over fire throw at an Ultimate tourney. -McGee [/ QUOTE ] yeah I read about one on RSD. Forget the details but I remember it sounded out of control. [/ QUOTE ] why woudl it be out of control? assume two teams near the end of a tournament. Team A (TA) and Team B(TB) TA is great at offense and ok at defense. TA also wins 80% of the games that they start out ahead. TB is good at offense and good at defense. TB knows TA. clearly in a 1 shot RPS match, TA will throw fire b/c they need to win. TB will realize this and throw water. Barron [/ QUOTE ] TA will of course realize this and thus throw rock/paper/scissor. TB, realizing that, will throw fire. TA, realizing that, will throw water. So, TB... Nice try, sport.
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09-09-2005, 02:28 PM
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Re: optimal rock paper scissors strategy (or jan ken pon)
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im an beginner, anyone got any good hints/tips for me? masters of the game , can you suggest any tactics? [/ QUOTE ] Against other beginners, paper/paper/scissors is pretty effective.
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09-09-2005, 02:29 PM
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Re: optimal rock paper scissors strategy (or jan ken pon)
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if you ignore the fact that fire is a one time shot (like this is the finals of nationals and you don't care if you can never throw fire again) then the optimal strategy is to throw Fire 1/3, Water 1/3, and Rock/Paper/Scissors 1/9th each. it's slightly more complicated because of ties and shooting again, but if we're talking one shot [/ QUOTE ] you're assuming both players know the basic rules and are both aiming for "optimal" stragety. read my reply again i said nothing of the knowledge TA has. Barron
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09-09-2005, 02:36 PM
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Re: optimal rock paper scissors strategy (or jan ken pon)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, you get one "fire" for your entire lifetime. Fire beats everything. Except "water." You also get one water for your lifetime. Water loses to everything except fire. Although, I'm not sure if these rules run in any circles other than the Ultimate Frisbee community. It's actually very key there because captains will often rosham for sides, possession, etc. [/ QUOTE ] I've actually heard of a water over fire throw at an Ultimate tourney. -McGee [/ QUOTE ] yeah I read about one on RSD. Forget the details but I remember it sounded out of control. [/ QUOTE ] why woudl it be out of control? assume two teams near the end of a tournament. Team A (TA) and Team B(TB) TA is great at offense and ok at defense. TA also wins 80% of the games that they start out ahead. TB is good at offense and good at defense. TB knows TA. clearly in a 1 shot RPS match, TA will throw fire b/c they need to win. TB will realize this and throw water. Barron [/ QUOTE ] TA will of course realize this and thus throw rock/paper/scissor. TB, realizing that, will throw fire. TA, realizing that, will throw water. So, TB... Nice try, sport. [/ QUOTE ] the example stopped there. i didn't state TA possessed knowledge. if they BOTH are knowledgable then it reverts to game theory, which is 1/3fire, 1/3water, 1/9RPS as already noted. Barron
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