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Old 08-31-2005, 06:28 AM
ArturiusX ArturiusX is offline
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Default Noob post; How do you play a missed re-raised pf AK on the flop?

Questions simple. Someone raises the standard amount, and you re-raise with AK. They call, the flop comes. Total rags. The question is now, what do I do?

Example hand to work with:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 ($49.25)
UTG+2 ($48.40)
MP1 ($4.50)
MP2 ($98.50)
Hero ($50)
CO ($49.50)
Button ($51.75)
SB ($18.30)
BB ($45.55)
UTG ($62.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB (poster) calls $3.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($12.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, SB folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $20.50

As you can see here, I had position, but what if I was out of position? Do I take a stab? Check and see? Whats a good line here?
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Old 08-31-2005, 06:32 AM
Malachii Malachii is offline
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Default Re: Noob post; How do you play a missed re-raised pf AK on the flop?

I generally only reraise AK in position, so that I can take a free card if I miss and get called on the flop. There is absolutely nothing wrong with coldcalling OOP and then check/folding if you miss.

Btw, it's good to see you on the SSNL forum Arturius. I hope you stick around.
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Old 08-31-2005, 06:36 AM
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Default Re: Noob post; How do you play a missed re-raised pf AK on the flop?

My standard play after a reraise is the continuation bet with or without position. It only needs to take the pot down more than 50% to make it a profitable play.
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Old 08-31-2005, 06:59 AM
ArturiusX ArturiusX is offline
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Default Re: Noob post; How do you play a missed re-raised pf AK on the flop?

Thanks Mal, interesting to see I have a reputation, scary :P

While I'm hear, I'll ask a few more quirke questions:

1) Whats a continuation bet? Just a pot or 2/3 pot bet after a previous raise was called?
2) What do I do with a hand like 99 or KQs with one limper, me in the CO preflop? Re-raise, or just limp after?
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Old 08-31-2005, 07:03 AM
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Default Re: Noob post; How do you play a missed re-raised pf AK on the flop?

Oh and,

3) How the [censored] do I play mid pairs? With great great caution?
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Old 08-31-2005, 07:19 AM
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Default Re: Noob post; How do you play a missed re-raised pf AK on the flop?

Yep, that's a continuation bet (cb). Just make it the same size as when you bet a hand that has hit the flop.

Whether you should make continuation bets or not depends mostly on your opponent. Against some you CB every time, against others you CB the turn as well, cause that's where they usually fold, against some you almost never CB, cause they will get tricky and raise you on the flop.

As to 99, KQs - kq isn't very fun to play if you are up against a utg raise. 99 though should definately be played. Both reraising and calling is ok in my book. It's not that good if the first guy reraises your raise though, so if you think he's likely to, a call might be better.

I'd be glad to hear opinions on my advice here...
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Old 08-31-2005, 08:14 AM
cianosheehan cianosheehan is offline
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Default Re: Noob post; How do you play a missed re-raised pf AK on the flop?

Well OP asked in regards to their being a limper, not a raiser.

Personally I would probably make it 5 bb's to go with KQs at least. If there is a preflop raise, I would either fold (to 4+bbs), or re-raise (anything less)...although if I had reads on opponent to tell me otherwise, I would react accordingly.

99 Im not so sure about. If I was raising it would be 5 or 6 bb's, but I dont think I would be raising on the CO with it to be honest. If limper calls, any over card is a scare card so unless you are hoping for a rag flop, you cant expect to get away with it as conveniantely as one may wish.
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Old 08-31-2005, 10:01 AM
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Default Re: Noob post; How do you play a missed re-raised pf AK on the flop?

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Oh and,

3) How the [censored] do I play mid pairs? With great great caution?

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Limp. Call raise up to 5-10% of smallest stack. Hit set. Push in.
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Old 08-31-2005, 10:09 AM
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Default Re: Noob post; How do you play a missed re-raised pf AK on the flop?

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Limp. Call raise up to 5-10% of smallest stack. Hit set. Push in.

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I always seem to forget the hit set part. I suck at flopping sets.
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Old 08-31-2005, 10:12 AM
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Default Re: Noob post; How do you play a missed re-raised pf AK on the flop?

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Oh and,

3) How the [censored] do I play mid pairs? With great great caution?

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Call raises as long as they are less than 5% of the smallest stack between you and the raiser, consider calling them if they are between 5-10%, don't call if they are over 10%. Hit your set, get the money in, don't hit your set, fold. Actually they are the easiest to play. If its been limped to you i'd limp with them...if it's folded to you in late position i'll raise with them.
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