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Old 12-31-2005, 10:32 AM
dozer dozer is offline
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Default AJos in the BB against a limper and a sb raiser.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

<font color="blue">probably should have 3-bet preflop, I always pussy out when I am clearing bonuses [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] </font>

Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

<font color="blue">Questionable flop raise/call?</font>

Turn: (6 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero?

<font color="blue">is this an easy turn fold?</font>
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Old 12-31-2005, 10:48 AM
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Default Re: AJos in the BB against a limper and a sb raiser.

3betting preflop might be good if it will knock out UTG and then you'll have position for the rest of the hand. If you don't think utg will fold, I like just calling. SB usually has a very good hand to raise after an utg limper.

The Force is telling me you are behind and have five or less outs on the turn and it would be wise to fold. If your up against AK you only have two outs.
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Old 12-31-2005, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: AJos in the BB against a limper and a sb raiser.

Why do we call the flop 3-bet if we are planning on folding the turn unimproved?

Do you really have enough outs to call there?

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Old 12-31-2005, 11:10 AM
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Default Re: AJos in the BB against a limper and a sb raiser.

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Why do we call the flop 3-bet if we are planning on folding the turn unimproved?

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Good point. I think folding to the flop three bet is good.
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Old 12-31-2005, 11:32 AM
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Default Re: AJos in the BB against a limper and a sb raiser.

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Why do we call the flop 3-bet if we are planning on folding the turn unimproved?

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Good point. I think folding to the flop three bet is good.

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Yes, I felt the biggest decision was the flop as well. I think the raise was fine because of the limper still in the hand. But calling the 3-bet getting 11:1 no good? Turn is a obvious fold because I am only getting 7:1
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Old 12-31-2005, 11:35 AM
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Default Re: AJos in the BB against a limper and a sb raiser.

I don't think he raioses pf then bet/3-bets any hands that you beat. I also think that you don't have enough outs for improvement.

You may do with implied odds, But then again I think your reverse implied odds are pretty high.

The raise is fine, I would have 3-bet preflop aswell.

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Old 12-31-2005, 11:46 AM
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Default Re: AJos in the BB against a limper and a sb raiser.

I think 3 betting flop is good here, probably knock out the utg limper.

As played you are probably beat, don't have the odds to continue, and folding to the 3 bet is probably the best play. I frequently call here (don't want to look like a wimp I guess ), and fold UI on the turn( a leak against typical opponents ).

If you 3 bet pf, and still get this level of aggression from the sb, you are certainly beat here.
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