Why bet/fold so much?

I don't bluff raise the river enough.[img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[paperboyNC]

Okay so I ran some stats:

Of the 30,132 limit hands I have in poker tracker, I have had called a river bet raise 108 times. I have won or split 38 times.

<font color="red">Here is my hand distribution:</font>
Four of a Kind - 1 time (won 1)
Full House - 10 times (won 6, split 1)
Flush - 10 times (won 2)
Straight - 10 times (won 2, split 5)
Trips - 11 times (won 5)
Two Pair -42 times (won 11, split 2)
Pair - 20 times (won 1, split 1)
High - 0 times

<font color="blue">Overall, calling river raises with just a pair has cost me $100 ($150 for 18 losers, $50 for 2 winners)</font>

<font color="red">Here is my opponent hand distribution:</font>
Four of a kind - 3 times (I won 0)
Full House - 9 times (I won 2, split 1)
Flush - 27 times (I won 2)
Straight - 20 times (I won 0, split 5)
Trips - 12 times (I won 6)
Two Pair - 24 times (I won 10, split 2)
Pair - 10 times (I won 5, split 2)
High Card - 2 times (I won 2)
Total - 108 times (I won 28, pushed 10)

[paperboyNC]

I have bet folded 18 times. I've only folded top pair 3 times on the river.

The above stats would indicate that calling a river-raise with just a pair is not profitable so many I should reconsider.

paperboy

[damaniac]

The problem is complete contextual. You don't just call because the pot is big. That is actually a possible leak. If people always call "because the pot is big" when they have very little chance to win (yeah, maybe that rock who wouldn't even raise AK/QQ preflop DOES have the flush on this four-flush board, but hell, I have top two, I'm calling), its a mistake you get the chance to make a fair amount in a SS game, and you really don't need to worry much about meta-game or people who raise the river as a bluff very often. It really depends on the way the hand plays out. So saying "calling the river raise with just a pair isn't profitable" really depends on the pair, the board, the player, and the hand. Just like everything else.

But yeah, as a default in a SS game, river raises are usually better than 1 pair hands.

[badbill7]

I also think that the dont fold for one bet might apply more to calling one bet not getting reraised after you bet. At least thats how i view it in the small stakes arena

[mack848]

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Okay so I ran some stats:

Of the 30,132 limit hands I have in poker tracker, I have had called a river bet raise 108 times. I have won or split 38 times.

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Can you work out your total win/loss over these 108 examples?

Also, that must have been a hell of a scary board to call a river raise with quads [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[silkyslim]

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I don't bluff raise the river enough.

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i dont think you have to lose sleep over this.

[paperboyNC]

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Can you work out your total win/loss over these 108 examples?

Also, that must have been a hell of a scary board to call a river raise with quads [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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A lot of my examples were capped (otherwise I would have 5-bet).

here's my profit:



Note that all of my river wins with just a pair were playing 6max.

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I suck and don't do it enough

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Ditto. I need to get out of the bet/3-bet cycle I'm in.

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I don't bluff raise the river enough.

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I have to agree here. But it never works at my limits anyway.