River wuss?

Garland · #1 10-15-2005, 03:53 PM

Game at this time is fairly tight passive to tight aggressive. There are a few gamblers on the table.

Opponent is average player. Nothing special.

What's your move on the river?

All comments appreciated.

Garland

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (7 handed) converter

Button ($477.10)
SB ($499.35)
BB ($1028.60)
Garland ($636.15)
MP1 ($763.70)
MP2 ($609)
CO ($601.50)

Preflop: Garland is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Garland calls $6, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($18) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Garland bets $13, SB raises to $26, BB folds, Garland calls $13.

Turn: ($70) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $54, Garland calls $54.

River: ($178) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $60, Garland ???

Rocaix · #2 10-15-2005, 03:57 PM

River looks like a blocking bet from a lone queen. I raise to 200 or whatever amount he's likely to payoff with.

flawless_victory · #3 10-15-2005, 03:58 PM

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What's your move on the river?

[/ QUOTE ]raise to 210.

Garland · #4 10-16-2005, 03:32 PM

River thoughts:

Am I giving up a lot by not raising this river?

He's representing a strong, strong hand on the flop and turn. Stars players have a mini-checkraise tendency on the flop. However, on the turn, I was pretty sure he had a very strong hand.

However, his bet on the river was not as strong. To me it meant one of two things:

(a) He's begging for a call or
(b) His hand has weakened somewhat

Let's think about it: He's in the blind. He has basically a random strong hand here. I'm pretty confident he has 2 pair or a set by the turn. If the pairing of the 10s helped him, he's crushed me and lured me into a false sense of security with a small bet. If the pairing of 10s counterfeited him, would he be willing to pay off a raise? Probably not. Extra reinforcement: He's a Stars player, not an average fish.

Still I have to ask whether raising has value here. If he goes over the top of me, I'll puke and have to fold. But is he fishy enough to call a 2nd best hand? Am I giving up value. Arg, the agony.

I just called, and he showed me a boat. Whew. Right move...this time.

Thanks for your thoughts,

Garland

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (7 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($477.10)
SB ($499.35)
BB ($1028.60)
Garland ($636.15)
MP1 ($763.70)
MP2 ($609)
CO ($601.50)

Preflop: Garland is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Garland calls $6, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($18) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Garland bets $13, SB raises to $26, BB folds, Garland calls $13.

Turn: ($70) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $54, Garland calls $54.

River: ($178) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $60, Garland calls $60.

Final Pot: $298

Results below:
SB has Th Qc (full house, tens full of queens).
Garland has Ad Jd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: SB wins $298.

BobboFitos · #5 10-16-2005, 03:40 PM

he missed value!

tom441lbk · #6 10-16-2005, 03:44 PM

why do you limp and bet out 2/3ish pot on a gutshot flop [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Garland · #7 10-16-2005, 03:48 PM

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why do you limp and bet out 2/3ish pot on a gutshot flop

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Because most of the time I take it down right there?

Garland

tom441lbk · #8 10-16-2005, 03:49 PM

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why do you limp and bet out 2/3ish pot on a gutshot flop

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Because most of the time I take it down right there?

Garland

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I guess i like raising preflop, alot [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Garland · #9 10-16-2005, 03:51 PM

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I guess i like raising preflop

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AJs (and KQs) are the two borderline hands I'll play from that position, and in most games I play, I open-limp with all hands UTG (or UTG+1).

Garland