Crushing live 2/4 tables

[Dacoops3]

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Move up the limits where the players will actually respect your bets. The only way to win is to play aginst good players.

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***Waiting for several people with no sense of humor to jump up his ass***

[boondockst]

How/why is this getting bumped? Every day it seems I check this forum and have a fit of laughter at the phrases "crushing" and "live 2/4" being used in the same post title....

[Jorge10]

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but yeah rake and tipping is horrible with 2/4 I should note i can crush low limit online but live is just so different


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I dont know about holdem much, but it seems the 2/4 in a casino with adequate tiping which you should do and rake is almost unbeatable unless you get an insane rush of cards and even then. I would say just play low stakes online, play 4/8 or higher live, but anything lower should be played online where the rake is much much smaller and you can actually consistently win. I know ill get bashed for saying its unbeatable, but why put extra strain on yourself by having to deal with the high rake and tipping? Poker is hard enough in my opinion.

[AKQJ10]

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I dont know about holdem much, but it seems the 2/4 in a casino with adequate tiping which you should do and rake is almost unbeatable unless you get an insane rush of cards and even then.

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I wrote up my argument about low-limit rake (and an attempt to summarize the opposing argument, although I find it erroneous) here: Low-limit rake. No one's yet replied with a convincing rebuttal of my argument. When you win a pot, the higher % rake and toke shouldn't kill you because that nitwit to your left who cold called your raise with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is paying your entire rake for you!

Also I'm of the opinion that $0.50 is an appropriate toke for most $2/4 pots, especially at Foxwoods where shorting a half-dollar only changes your dealer's end-of-day income by $0.00001 anyway.

[AKQJ10]

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How/why is this getting bumped? Every day it seems I check this forum and have a fit of laughter at the phrases "crushing" and "live 2/4" being used in the same post title....

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Because it should be a tautology for a seasoned 2+2er, right?

[Jorge10]

I dont know maybe its my local casino in SoCal, but morongo and san manuel are pretty bad when it comes to take, they take 3 bucks out of every hand plus 1 dollar for the jackpot plus you have to tip 1-2 dollars. I dont know how you guys get raked so I dont know if we are talking about the same thing.

[ninjaunderwear]

At WinStar, they take 5 bucks out of every hand plus 1 dollar for the jackpot drop plus you have to tip 1-2 dollars.

[DiceyPlay]

This is probably good advice. But there might be reasons you can't beat the 2/4 other than less then optimal play.

What is the rake structure like? If they're taking a drop each and every hand. This can make it next to impossible to beat the game in my opinion. Be selective with the posters you listen to in this respect. There are so many people playing poker, there are certainly some who buck the odds. Don't expect to be one of the lucky ones.

Also, do you know why you're losing? Saying the players are too loose and always suckout is not thorough enough reasoning. Do you move to another table when you believe you don't have an advantage at your current table? Do you think about the hands you win and lose and think about whether you could have played them differently to win more or lose less? Do you use position to your advantage? Do you make other players at the table your unwitting accomplice by leveraging their aggression? Are you leaving money on the table with the hands you win?

These are all questions I ask myself all the time.

-DP (another losing low limit player)

[VBCurtis]

I'll leave the "have to tip" part alone, but Morongo rebates the rake for very small pots or no flop, and only takes $2 rake (plus jackpot dollar) at 2/4 unless the pot is bigger than $40 unraked. Once it hits $40, the point about the idiot on your left chasing backdoor flushes with J5 is right on-- paying one BB when there's 5 idiots is hardly a price to pay.
Morongo 2/4 is reliably REALLY bad, like 5-10 cent bad. 3/6 when the sun is up can be fairly tight, and also usually has 1 or 2 fair online players, while 2/4 almost never has a skilled player anywhere. I find 2/4 more profitable there, in the range of $5/hr, while I merely break even at 3/6 and 4/8. (small sample-- maybe 175 hrs total, 100 at 2/4). Roughly, you can expect 6 to the flop (out of 9) at any 2/4 table any time, while 3/6 is only like that fri-sat-sun nights.
San Manuel used to have similar policies, but I HATED the 2/2 blinds at 2/4 so much (the explanation was "we have to have chips to take the rake from at the start of the hand-- how else could we do it?") that I won't play there. On the bright side, 3/6 there is pretty loose, looser than Morongo daytime.
-Curtis

I know im surprised my post is always on page one too.....we can let it die, Ive logged a couple hundred hours in the casino and more online so I didnt need that much advice but good anyways. Tonight i played 4/8 live and got 200 profit from a 5 hour session for an update, my game was really on