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05-21-2005, 11:03 PM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
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[ QUOTE ] i would tell them to stop it because worms feel pain too. [/ QUOTE ] Actually they don't. They sense stress but not pain in the way that you or I do. [/ QUOTE ] they have 5 hearts...thier good to go [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] 
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05-21-2005, 11:00 PM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
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Sounds conclusive to me... [/ QUOTE ] More like a typical reporter screwing up what the scientific consensus really is. [ QUOTE ] Or when a bear grabs a baby out of a stroller (see my response in the hunting thread), the other bears are saying, "dude, you really shouldn't do that". You "caring" is a human emotion, and ultimately I would say it just means that fishing/hunting are not for you. [/ QUOTE ] Humans are not the only animal that are capable of caring about the welfare of other animals. Dogs, dolphins, cats, whales, and even bears all have a long and well documented history of caring for not only humans but lesser forms of animal life as well. Please keep in mind not all of these animals, just like not all humans, behave this way.
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05-21-2005, 11:49 PM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
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[ QUOTE ] Sounds conclusive to me... [/ QUOTE ] More like a typical reporter screwing up what the scientific consensus really is. [ QUOTE ] Or when a bear grabs a baby out of a stroller (see my response in the hunting thread), the other bears are saying, "dude, you really shouldn't do that". You "caring" is a human emotion, and ultimately I would say it just means that fishing/hunting are not for you. [/ QUOTE ] Humans are not the only animal that are capable of caring about the welfare of other animals. Dogs, dolphins, cats, whales, and even bears all have a long and well documented history of caring for not only humans but lesser forms of animal life as well. Please keep in mind not all of these animals, just like not all humans, behave this way. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting point wacki, but do you not consider these to all be forms of personification rather than genuine animalistic traits. Do you think the scenario where a predator cares for the prey when another predator (of the same species as the other predator) kills it is possible?
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05-21-2005, 11:55 PM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
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Do you think the scenario where a predator cares for the prey when another predator (of the same species as the other predator) kills it is possible? [/ QUOTE ] My sister has a cat and it takes very good care of our African Grey and Amazon Redlord. My dog einstein has no problem getting along with our cat. I have a buddy that owned some wolves. They were not only very protective of the owner, but protected the owners livestock from other wolves. Is that good enough?
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05-22-2005, 12:29 AM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
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[ QUOTE ] Do you think the scenario where a predator cares for the prey when another predator (of the same species as the other predator) kills it is possible? [/ QUOTE ] My sister has a cat and it takes very good care of our African Grey and Amazon Redlord. My dog einstein has no problem getting along with our cat. I have a buddy that owned some wolves. They were not only very protective of the owner, but protected the owners livestock from other wolves. Is that good enough? [/ QUOTE ] I consider these to be domesticated animals, not wild ones. The wolves bit is interesting, were these once wild or born and raised of a domestic breed? You are also feeding your cats/dogs, they are not forced to hunt for food. I am not sure how your buddy is raising his wolves, but I suspect they would be eating his livestock if he weren't feeding them...and he is probably feeding them livestock that has been butchered. Funny world we live in.
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05-21-2005, 11:17 PM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
BTW, to settle the fish debate/pain debate, the answer is we simply don't know.
1) Fish have pain receptors 2)They lack the parts of the brain that processes pain in humans. 3) The neurology of fish is completely different than humans, so #2 may not even matter. In the end the scientific community is split and we really don't know. To make a claim one way or another is asinine IMO.
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#9
05-21-2005, 11:30 PM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
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BTW, to settle the fish debate/pain debate, the answer is we simply don't know. 1) Fish have pain receptors 2)They lack the parts of the brain that processes pain in humans. 3) The neurology of fish is completely different than humans, so #2 may not even matter. In the end the scientific community is split and we really don't know. To make a claim one way or another is asinine IMO. [/ QUOTE ] i agree...there is research on both sides of it that support opposing views and from reading it i understand the differences in thier pain receptors from ours thier were called noi...somethings cant remember right now. Either way...i fish alot and i was brought up on that train of thought...so unless there was no scientific riff and it all pointed the other way not much is gonna change this thought in my mind. It helps me to take better care of the fish i come in contact with and encourages me to treat them with the upmost care. Many of these studies have been preformed on trout, which may be more sensitive to "pain" than other types...and many fish (i read) have differing #s of these recepotors, so we may never know...but i still have my opinion on the issue.... kinda like i believe animals have souls [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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05-22-2005, 12:30 AM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
I think it hurts their pocketbook but I don't know if I'd call that pain.
-Michael
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